effen cheatin suzukis!

[benfoxmra95]

mladin.....pffft....well now I know what it takes to win some races. A cheater crank.

WTF!!! Unless that crank had about 2 inches of extra stroke, who the eff cares what's been done to it? Really?

Who knows, maybe theyll reveal what was illegal about it.. But I doubght it was anything substantial.

Weed....have you been secretly hanging out with jim rashid? J/k...

[TBSgraphics]

so how is it only Mladin, what about ben???

[benfoxmra95]

I gotta say one thing though, they should have known better, I mean come on everyone has been getting their shit looked at this year, did they think they were untouchable.

Oh btw, all you Suzuki riders in supersport better watch out at the next pueblo, I'm bringing a stack of cash for some teardowns....I want to see your cranks.....


(brewer...dont do it....!)

[TBSgraphics]

so how is it only Mladin, what about ben???

Never mind, saw that AMA only looked at Mat's equipment, and it's ok to cheat as long as your second and dont win.

Dont beleive for a second that who ever built the motors didnt do the same treatment on both cranks, but ben(or ben's crewcheif) will get away with this one.

Why after so many years of factory prefferenal(sp) Treatment is tha AMA cracking down on tech???

Started at Daytona with the hondas now this??

[The GECCO]

(I'll do it)

Bring the big stack! The ladies get comped but if YOU wanna see my crank it's gonna cost ya!

[JimWilson29]

so how is it only Mladin, what about ben???

Never mind, saw that AMA only looked at Mat's equipment, and it's ok to cheat as long as your second and dont win.

Dont beleive for a second that who ever built the motors didnt do the same treatment on both cranks, but ben(or ben's crewcheif) will get away with this one.

Why after so many years of factory prefferenal(sp) Treatment is tha AMA cracking down on tech???

Started at Daytona with the hondas now this??

Frank you cant tell me you havent been paying attention to all the manufactuers vs DMG drama lately. Mat and Mel Harris have openly spoke out about Roger Edmondsen. They must have really pissed him off! :lol: I wouldnt doubt if Suzuki pulls out the rest of this season. Spies 551 points clinches the champioship now anyway.

[The GECCO]

So I guess congratulations are in order for Spies, this essentially hands him the championship. I haven't done the math, but I think that he'll clinch it with a solid finish in the first round at Road Atlanta. The second round at RA and the race at Laguna won't matter.

[JimWilson29]

mladin.....pffft....well now I know what it takes to win some races. A cheater crank.

WTF!!! Unless that crank had about 2 inches of extra stroke, who the eff cares what's been done to it? Really?

Who knows, maybe theyll reveal what was illegal about it.. But I doubght it was anything substantial.

What if it was something more like Mat's crank weighed more than the sample that Suzuki sent to compare it against. Would that give him any advantage? :?:

[JimWilson29]

So I guess congratulations are in order for Spies, this essentially hands him the championship. I haven't done the math, but I think that he'll clinch it with a solid finish in the first round at Road Atlanta. The second round at RA and the race at Laguna won't matter.

From official results after the DQ-

Spies 551
Mladin 449
Hacking 403

[benfoxmra95]

mladin.....pffft....well now I know what it takes to win some races. A cheater crank.

WTF!!! Unless that crank had about 2 inches of extra stroke, who the eff cares what's been done to it? Really?

Who knows, maybe theyll reveal what was illegal about it.. But I doubght it was anything substantial.

What if it was something more like Mat's crank weighed more than the sample that Suzuki sent to compare it against. Would that give him any advantage? :?:

A heavier crank will have no hp advantage at all....what it will have is more tractable power delivery(ie. less likely to spin up), it will also make the bike harder to turn, because of increased gyro effect from a heavier mass.

so take your pick a light crank that spins up fast and will smoke the rear tire and is easy to turn. or a heavy crank that's less likely to spin the rear tire, but is harder to turn.

it's a trade off in certain aspects. You could change the bike geometry to make the bike turn easier to compensate for the heavier crank, but in doing so you'll make the rear end lighter and easier to come around on you.

If your using the lighter crank that flicks easier and smokes the tire, you could drop the back end of the bike for more traction, but you'll slow the steering down and make it require more effort to get the bike in the corner.

If he's getting his season ruined for that...it's a shame...now if he was running a 1200cc stroker crank...then i'd look at it a different way.

[benfoxmra95]

look at what those cheating suzuki's used to do back in the 750cc, superbike days...

Clark shuold know what's wrong with this picture:

[dave.gallant]

There is nothing "wrong" with that picture.

That is the RIGHT way to do it!!

[The GECCO]

So I guess congratulations are in order for Spies, this essentially hands him the championship. I haven't done the math, but I think that he'll clinch it with a solid finish in the first round at Road Atlanta. The second round at RA and the race at Laguna won't matter.

From official results after the DQ-

Spies 551
Mladin 449
Hacking 403

Yup, it's pretty much over, though it's not technically clinched. If something happened to Spies before the next round and he was out for the remainder and Mladin won the final three, Mladin wins the championship. All Spies has to do is score 12 points (I think, accounting for pole points and most-laps-lead points) at the first round at RA and he has it clinched.

As much as I wanted Spies to win, I was hoping it would come down to the wire.

[The GECCO]

look at what those cheating suzuki's used to do back in the 750cc, superbike days...

Clark shuold know what's wrong with this picture:

ummmmm....no clutch plates? :lol:

[dave.gallant]

look at what those cheating suzuki's used to do back in the 750cc, superbike days...

Clark shuold know what's wrong with this picture:

ummmmm....no clutch plates? :lol:

Look - Ben forgot to torque down the cylinders!

And the oil galley plug is not siliconed!!

[benfoxmra95]

damn fluid retaining bolts....grrrrr..... I hate em! Look at you sitting there all nice and dry with your copper washer just saying"hi look at me ill never leak oil, honest", Come here you you little sob, let me drill you and run some safety wire through your hole..

Woops did my inner monologue fail again...sigh...

[Ashli]

I gotta say one thing though, they should have known better, I mean come on everyone has been getting their shit looked at this year, did they think they were untouchable.

Now why does that sound familiar.... :^o

[Tumbleweed]

F it, I'll bite.

AT LEAST THERE IS A ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY PENALIZES ILLEGAL MODS TO BIKES. AND IT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T MATTER IF THE OFFENDERS ARE ONE OF THE TOP RIDERS. THEY STILL PENALIZE HIM.

If any of you have a problem with that go F yourself.

sidenote: I have kept nice and quiet on the forums lately but since my name was brought up in this post (even as a joke) I felt compelled to react.

[benfoxmra95]

it was a joke with all the intent to put things in the past and move on. Didn't realize you were so sore about the situation.

This forum is full of crap talk and joking around, you know that.

[Ashli]

it was a joke with all the intent to put things in the past and move on. Didn't realize you were so sore about the situation.

This forum is full of crap talk and joking around, you know that.

What situation would that be? People getting away with cheating because the board doesn't want to deal with it? Or is it because they don't want people to lose their points then not race the rest of the season, because there would be no point. Therefore, the club loses those entrance fees.... hit the nail on the head didn't I? But then again (a direct quote from a board member) "this is club level racing!" so we shouldn't really care.

I say we just burn the rule book all together.

Okay just a side note before I get unleashed upon and probably exiled for speaking up (because nobody else will aside from CWeed) I shouldn't say the board in general because there are a few people who don't agree with what went down in Pueblo.

[hcr25]

I just want to spank you :P

[Ashli]

I just want to spank you :P

That can be arranged.... :twisted: we all know I deserve it.... :mrgreen:

[The GECCO]

hit the nail on the head didn't I?

No, you didn't.

But then again (a direct quote from a board member) "this is club level racing!" so we shouldn't really care.

Thanks for at least not including your interpretation of what I said inside the quotes. If you had been present during the conversation you would know that the context of that quote was that a rider wants to continue a pissing contest that started LAST YEAR by using the rule book to beat someone he can't beat on the track. The spirit of my remark was that it's time to let go of the past because this is club level racing and it's supposed to be fun. Fun is the only reason anyone should be doing this because there isn't anyone doing it to pay their mortgage.

People getting away with cheating because the board doesn't want to deal with it?

It was dealt with, and properly at that. If you want to file a protest, it must be done properly. If it isn't done in accordance with the rulebook, it won't be upheld. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Ashli]

Sugar coat it any way you want Prez. I heard about the conversation you had with Chris.... cheating is cool. Because nobody is getting their mortgage payments made. Although, winning an ROR race on a money weekend would definitely pay my mortgage. :lol:

[The GECCO]

Sugar coat it any way you want Prez. We know why Chris' protest was thrown out and how it got there.

No, why don't you explain it to everyone?