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    HELP!!! - Attention all motorcyclists - HELP!!!!

    Hi,

    Please read the info below that Terry put together and help by contacting your legislator and/or showing up to the hearing.

    We need to keep the MOST program in Colorado.

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    Motorcyclists there is an important issue happening at the Capitol November 7th and possibly beyond. I don't know how many of you are aware of the Motorcycle Operators Safety Training (MOST) program and how it works. For those of you that don't here's a quick lesson.

    The program was established in 1990. Motorcyclists worked with the Legislature to impose fees upon our registration and licensing to create a fund to assist with rider training in Colorado. We even went back to the Legislature in 2006 to raise the fees. Each of us pay an additional $4 on our registration every year and when we renew our driver's license we pay an additional $2. These fees are collected and put into the MOST program to offset training costs to CO residents and military. Every training company that works under MOST gets a subsidy per student to reduce the costs of the courses offered. The amount varies from year to year dependent upon how much money is in the fund. There have been some issues with the program. Until recently it was not well managed. ABATE tried to correct some issues Legislatively in 2010. The bill was ultimately defeated by competing training companies and a faction of motorcyclists. It did result in an Audit of the MOST program which was completed last week and heard by the Legislative Audit Committee. There were several recommendations (surprisingly familiar to what ABATE asked for in 2010) that should be implemented in the program. There was also a recommendation to close the program. The Audit Committee voted to draft a bill to close the program.

    ABATE's members have chosen to fight to preserve the MOST program with the other recommendations implemented and we need your help if you agree with us!! When the Audit Committee meets again November 7th they will vote whether to move the bill forward to shut down MOST or they will kill the bill. We'd like to convince them to kill the bill. There is still a chance that another Legislator will decide to introduce a bill in 2012. We will compose a plan of action if that happens.

    If you feel this program is valuable to Colorado and want to help us here is what you can do. Contact these Legislators and tell them we want to keep the MOST program.

    This is our first group to hit hard and heavy with emails, phone calls...etc. Thank the ones that voted no on the draft legislation...still send them out. ABATE will be visiting them in person in the coming weeks.

    Rep. Cindy Acree - 303-866-2944
    E-mail: cindy.acree.house@state.co.us

    Rep Deb Gardner - 303-866-2780 Thank you for the support
    E-mail: deb.gardner.house@state.co.us

    Rep Jim Kerr - 303-866-2939
    E-mail: james.kerr.house@state.co.us

    Rep Joe Miklosi - 303-866-2910
    E-mail: joe@joemiklosi.com

    Senator Scott Renfroe - 303-866-4451
    E-mail: senatorrenfroe@gmail.com

    Senator Steve King - 303-866-3077
    E-mail: steve.king.senate@state.co.us

    Senator Lucia Guzman - 303-866-4862 Thank you for the support
    E-mail: lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us

    Senator Lois Tochtrop - 303-866-4863 Thank you for the support (she is a huge friend to motorcyclists)
    E-mail: lotochtrop@aol.com

    If you have more questions shoot me a pm or call me 303-789-3264. Thanks for your help. REMEMBER this is NOT a government imposed program, motorcyclists of Colorado imposed this program!! It's OUR money not the general taxpayers!!!



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    PRESERVE THE MOST PROGRAM!!!


    You will find outlined simple points that need to be taken into consideration with the MOST (Motorcycle Operator Safety Training) program.

    -First and foremost: this program is paid for by motorcyclists, not the general public ref (C.R.S. 43-5-504, also 42-2-114 (2) (b) and (4) (b), 42-2-118 (1) (b) (II) and 42-3-304 (4)), by our own choice. Motorcyclists initiated the extra fees to help further rider training. In fact we went to the Legislature again in 2006 to increase the fees.

    -Second: “The intent of the statute is that the Department of Transportation (CDOT) use Motorcycle Operator Safety Training Funds to establish, administer, promote, provide motorist awareness programs, and participate in the costs of the Program, so that Motorcycle Safety training would be more accessible to a greater percentage of Colorado consumers and would be less costly to consumers, thereby enabling more persons to enroll in and complete such safety training.” Verbatim from the MOST Rules and Regulations


    What happens if MOST is shut down?


    • Funding which cannot be transferred to any other fund would be eliminated that would have been used to educate new and existing riders resulting in a savings of $4 to $6 per year per motorcyclist
    • Cost of training will increase, making courses less affordable in a poor economy, increasing the number of untrained riders on the roads of Colorado
    • More self-taught riders and less safety knowledge
    • Some training schools will go out of business, making training less accessible especially in rural, underserved areas of Colorado.
    • DOR will need more staff to provide/administer testing due to reduction of training schools increasing the fiscal impact to the state budget
    • Substandard safety training provided due to no oversight
    • Possible reduction in Federal funds for motorcycle safety and awareness campaigns making the motoring public less aware of motorcyclists
    • There will be an increase in motorcycle related accidents/fatalities (studies indicate a reduction in accidents/fatalities due to rider training)

    Why do the motorcyclists of Colorado want to keep this program?

    • This is a safety program that teaches proper riding gear, techniques, braking, accident avoidance, etc.
    • We pay for it
    • It helps reduce the cost of training classes so more riders will get training
    • It provides mobile training to outlying areas of the state
    • It is an integral part of assured Federal highway funds for Motorcycle Safety and Awareness funds in CO
    • It oversees the schools/companies and instructors providing classes to assure approved curriculum and safety measures are followed
    • It reduces accidents/fatalities by putting more trained riders on the road
    • Education will make a rider safer and more skilled

    Give CDOT and the MOST program with a Legislative Appointed Task Force (stakeholders) 2 years to implement the recommendations provided by the Audit and re-write the Rules and Regulations. Give the motorcyclists of Colorado (your constituents) a chance to make this an effective viable program. Please SUPPORT the preservation of MOST.
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    Bump. We are still going to need everyone to be aware of this issue and ready to fight off any future bills to kill the MOST program when session opens again. While we stopped them this past time, we have a suspicion that it could come back.
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    The state legislature has once again introduced a bill to kill the MOST program-

    SB12-089 - CONCERNING THE REPEAL OF THE MOTORCYCLE OPERATOR SAFETY TRAINING PROGRAM

    Introduced January 19, 2012 - Assigned to transportation Committee

    Bill Summary: The bill repeals the motorcycle operator safety training program administered by the office of transportation safety in the department of transportation and repeals all license and registration fees imposed to fund the program.
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    Senate Transportation Committee Members:

    Evie Hudak, Chair
    Suzanne Williams, Vice-Chair
    Scott Renfroe (Senate Sponsor)
    Nancy Spence (Senate Co-Sponsor)
    Steve King
    Linda Newell
    Gail Schwartz

    http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLI...ile=089_01.pdf

    Please visit the ABATE of Colorado website http://www.abateofcolo.org/ > Legislative > Alerts for more information.

    Please sign the online petition:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/colo...e-most-program
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    What's driving the repeal?

    Is it truely a self funded program or is only the safety training fund self-funded through license and registration fees and the management/admin of the program is picked up by the CDOT from a general fund? Just curious if there's a $$ element motivating the repeal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    What's driving the repeal?

    Is it truely a self funded program or is only the safety training fund self-funded through license and registration fees and the management/admin of the program is picked up by the CDOT from a general fund? Just curious if there's a $$ element motivating the repeal...
    The Coalition of Independent Riders(COIR)- http://usdefenders.org/COIR.htm and T3RG Motorcycle Schools - http://www.t3rg.com/ have been lobbying to kill the MOST program.

    It is a self-funded program. The management/admin is also covered under the program. Eliminating it would put the burden on the Dept of Revenue since they oversee drivers licenses in the state of Colorado. See the first post for the impact if it is done away with.

    As far as if there is a $$ element motivating the repeal, I think that is part of it but more so it's about control. ABATE of Colorado is both the largest motorcyclist rights organization and the largest rider education organization under the MOST program in the state. COIR is a motorcyclist rights organization that has been in Colorado for two years now and is trying to become the preeminent rights organization here. T3RG is the 2nd largest motorcycle training organization under MOST in the state. So you can clearly see the the motivation.
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    I want to add some information at a high level to the public that have either been discussed in group settings or information that has been tabulated by some of the concerned parties and companies that have documents and financials to support saving the program.

    Bottom line is that we as Colorado motorcycling citizens desperately need everyone's help in less than 3 weeks to kill the current proposed bill. So *please* read on.

    Facts/Info
    * Currently the MOST program is completely self funded.
    * Currently the MOST program supports training and testing approximately 8000 Students a year.
    * Currently the DMV requires no testing to get M endorsement with completion card from these courses
    * Currently the MOST program also pays for the road awareness signs about being aware of motorcycles.

    Thoughts on the effects of the program elimination
    * ~8000 Riders a year would need to rely on the DMV for motorcycle educating, testing and licensing.
    * More unlicensed riders + fewer trained riders = more crashes, injuries and fatalities
    * Rise in insurance premiums for CO due to aforementioned
    *(Yes this even affects us racers aka: non street riders. Fewer riders to pool from to join us racing.
    * Less customers for the motorcycle industry in CO = Threatening the existence of many shops.

    Think about the financial impact this has on all CO citizens on each of the bullets above. The state would have to cover the administration of training/licensing. What about all the medical costs associated with more accidents and unlicensed or uninsured riders. The public image of motorcyclists would suffer as well.

    The hearing is set for Feb 14th. What we need is for as many people to sign the petition as possible. We need as many of you can show up at 2pm as possible. We need you to help us with word of mouth on both the previously mentioned. ABATE has set up an online petition as well as paper copies that we will have at the Swap meet and other events between now and then.

    Hearing date for SB 12-089. It is scheduled for Transportation committee hearing Tuesday Feb 14 at 2 PM, room scr 352. The committee convenes at 2:00 PM
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    To sign the online petition: go to our website and see the widget for saving the MOST program on the home page.

    http://www.abateofcolo.org/
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    Signed yesterday.

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    Here is the audit report driving the bill from the Office of the State Auditor. Highlights are on page 1.

    http://www.leg.state.co.us/OSA/coauditor1.nsf/All/A1449369AAF521958725791400588F96/$FILE/2142%20Final%20MOST%20Sept%202011.pdf

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    Joe, what is your position on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    Well now, that is pretty interesting...
    What's more interesting is there was a bill introduced in 2010 (Senate Bill 10-040) that would have amended the MOST program and met the recommendations the state auditor listed on page 1 of the performance audit that Joe posts above. There were a lot of other expenses that were reimbursed such as motorcycles, storage sheds, computers, classroom renovation, picnic tables, etc that are a part of that report. This bill would have stopped that and the only thing that money would go to is student reimbursement and mobile training. This bill passed through the Senate. It then went to the House and then assigned to the House Transportation Committee. At the hearing for it, T3RG and COIR testified against the bill, using about up an hour of time. When the opportunity for the proponents to testify, they were cut off after 15 minutes due to in-climate weather moving in. It was then laid over and nothing happened.

    Yes, the audit report doesn't look good. The MOST program was broke. It was implemented in 1991. There were 3 training programs in the state back then, now there are 16. It had never been audited until this past year. The administrators at CDOT had no idea they were operating improperly until the audit recommendations came out.

    CDOT and the schools under the MOST program have been meeting over the past few months and have implemented all of the state auditor's recommendations. They are all in place now.

    The American Motorcyclists Association, Motorcycle Safety Foundation, and the Motorcycle Rider's Foundation are all currently against this SB12-089.
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    and again, if this bill passes, we would be the only state to get rid of any motorcycle safety program. Now how is that a good thing?

    If the AMA, MRF, and MSF are all against the bill, doesn't that say enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KFinn
    and again, if this bill passes, we would be the only state to get rid of any motorcycle safety program. Now how is that a good thing?
    To clarify, we'd be the only state to drop a state managed subsidy program for motorcycle training, correct? A program which appears to be mismanaged in recent years and has fulfilled the original goal of increasing access to affordable motorcycle training.

    If the AMA, MRF, and MSF are all against the bill, doesn't that say enough?
    Perhaps. Or maybe it's like any special interest that understandably objects when their gov't funding is affected. Listen, I don't have a dog in this hunt... I like to see the motorcycle industry strong but at a high level I'm wondering what's wrong with killing a subsidy program that was effective and has run its course? Do you guys think that Abate and other training schools will all fold if they don't have state funding? If that's the case - I could agree that it's bad, but the report findings noted no clear link between the program and incentives to take training... And I'm still missing what T3RG and COIR have to gain from this - will they be able to get more training market-share if the program is killed? If so, why? Are they more efficient @ rider training and can provide it less expensively? Do they have other funding sources that subsidize it?

    It's just not adding up for me...

    Again - don't take this as me being for or against anything, cause I'm not - but I am interested and I am trying to understand the different perspectives.

    cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by UglyDogRacing

    What's more interesting is there was a bill introduced in 2010 (Senate Bill 10-040) that would have amended the MOST program and met the recommendations the state auditor listed on page 1 of the performance audit that Joe posts above.
    Indeed. So what drove that bill over a year ahead of the audit report? See my post above, I'm still missing the link about what the T3RG and COIR have to gain from all this...

    Has anyone introduced another bill to address the audit findings? If not, why not?

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    Jim,

    To answer your question, I support the MOST concept. I cannot believe anyone would question the value and need for motorcycle rider education. I think the audit recommendations should be implemented PLUS if any of the contractors did not pass the tuition subsidy on to their students as required, they should have to refund the money to the students plus interest, be fined for each violation and this information should be made public. I think riders should know who has been following the rules and who has not. The money from the fines could help fund the administration of the program by a neutral party. Passing tuition subsidies directly to students as noted in the audit makes sense to me and it would reduce the admistrative costs of the riding school contractors and help stop any potential abuses. As KFinn said "REMEMBER this is NOT a government imposed program, motorcyclists of Colorado imposed this program!! It's OUR money not the general taxpayers!!!" As such, IMHO there should be complete transparency as to where "our" money is going. As you said, some of this may be about control by the different riding organizations. I don't think any one organization should have a louder voice than the other. I don't believe there is any one organization that can say the speak for all or even the majority of motorcyclists. I have other thoughts but that is it in a nut shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    Indeed. So what drove that bill over a year ahead of the audit report? See my post above, I'm still missing the link about what the T3RG and COIR have to gain from all this...
    ABATE lobbied for Senate Bill 10-040 to fix the MOST program back in 2010 which T3RG and COIR helped defeat.

    As for what T3RG and COIR have to gain from this, you will have to ask them. With the MOST program gone, there will no longer be any subsidies for rider education schools in this state which will definately have a financial impact on them. Will it hurt ABATE? Yes. Will it hurt T3RG? Yes. Will they both survive? Yes. Will smaller schools go under? Most likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    Has anyone introduced another bill to address the audit findings? If not, why not?

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    Audit report date is Sept 12, 2011. Senate Bill SB 12-089 was introduced on January 19,2012 to repeal the MOST program.
    What other bills would you be looking for?
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    Geoff, I know you keep asking what there is to gain with all this. Below are the MOST meeting transcripts from CDOT for November and December 2011. T3RG and COIR were present at both meetings and did speak. Perhaps it will shed more light on their motivation.
    Sorry they are both a lot of reading.

    November
    <iframe src="http://uglydogracing.com/MSF/MOSTStakeholderMeetingTranscript11.14.11.pdf" width="900" height="700" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

    December
    <iframe src="http://uglydogracing.com/MSF/Transcript12.19.11MOSTmeeting.pdf" width="900" height="700" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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    Quote Originally Posted by UglyDogRacing
    Audit report date is Sept 12, 2011. Senate Bill SB 12-089 was introduced on January 19,2012 to repeal the MOST program.
    What other bills would you be looking for?
    I was wondering if there was an option other than killing it - like the bill you mentioned was put forward in 2010 - that would put in place controls/fixes to the issues found without killing the program.

    I do want to thank you for posting up all the info and answering my questions - I find myself genuinely interested. It's a subject I've never spent any time/brainpower on... I'm frankly a bit baffled at why this is a contentious issue (other than to fix the concern areas noted) among groups that I would think would be aligned in general purpose/direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    I was wondering if there was an option other than killing it - like the bill you mentioned was put forward in 2010 - that would put in place controls/fixes to the issues found without killing the program.
    The Legislative Audit Committee enacted the audit after that bill was introduced in 2010. There were several recommendations based on their findings, one being to close the program. I was present when they voted on Nov. 7th to kill the bill. At that committee meeting, the head of CDOT and the head of MOST testified that they would work on fixing the issues that were identified by the audit and implement the recommendations. This resulted in the meetings the past 2 months with the stakeholders at which the fixes were finalized. The plan was to go back to the Legislative Audit Committee with a new plan and then it would be up to them to create a new bill and move forward.
    In the meantime, Senator Scott Renfroe introduced the current bill through the Senate Transportation Committee. He sits both on this committee and the Legislative Audit Committee. He is an avid Harley rider and his argument is that there are plenty of MSF Rider Education businesses that operate without MOST subsidies in Colorado. The facts are that the only rider education schools operating outside the MOST program are the one's put on by the Harley dealerships - http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...er-course.html and these are substantially more than basic rider courses put on by those in the MOST program. I actually heard him testify that they all charge the same price. He obviously did not do his homework. Renfroe is not only backed by the Harley dealers, he is also backed by COIR. So more blanks filled in for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by gsnyder828
    I do want to thank you for posting up all the info and answering my questions - I find myself genuinely interested. It's a subject I've never spent any time/brainpower on... I'm frankly a bit baffled at why this is a contentious issue (other than to fix the concern areas noted) among groups that I would think would be aligned in general purpose/direction.

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    Actually all the MSF Rider Education schools in the state are aligned with the general purpose and direction of fixing and keeping the MOST program. 15 of them to be exact. There is only that is against it: T3RG.
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    GOOD NEWS!!!

    I am happy to announce that Senate Bill SB12-809, that would have abolished the Colorado MOST Program, was killed in the Colorado Senate Transportation Committee tonight.

    Tonight's wonderful and well deserved result was the culmination of a lot of meetings and work, some internal to CDOT, as well as others that the training community directly participated in. This information was instrumental in getting the correct and real information to the Senate Transportation Committee.

    With that combined effort we were successful in getting the proposed legislation killed.
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    ABATE of Colorado Press Release:

    ABATE of Colorado
    4725 Paris St Suite #250, Denver, CO, 80239
    303-789-3264 (office) | 303-789-2915 (fax) www.abateofcolo.org

    ABATE of Colorado News Release – Repeal of Colorado’s Motorcycle Operator’s Safety Training (MOST) Program

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    February 22, 2012
    Contact: Kirk Fry, Legislative Affairs Officer (legislative@abateofcolo.org) / Terry Howard, State Coordinator (statecoord@abateofcolo.org)



    Victory for Colorado Motorcyclists

    ABATE of Colorado reports that February 21, 2012, SB12-089, Repeal the Motorcycle Operator Safety Training (M.O.S.T.) Program has been postponed indefinitely on a vote of 4-3.

    There have been issues with the MOST program over the past few years and ABATE tried unsuccessfully to remedy the issue in 2010, with SB10-40. As a result of SB10-40 being introduced ultimately a Legislative Audit of the program was ordered. The Audit didn’t reveal much that was not already known. The Audit contained several recommendations including one to repeal the program.

    In November of 2011, ABATE attended the Legislative Audit Committee hearing to review the audit findings and to decide if legislation should be drafted to repeal the program. Members of the committee were split on whether the program should be fixed or go away. Both motions (1) to draft repeal legislation and (2) to legislate ‘fixes’ ended in tie votes so nothing further was done at that time.

    When the 2012 legislative session began in January, Senator Renfroe renewed efforts to repeal the program. The repeal of the program would be a huge injustice to the riders of Colorado. ABATE of Colorado members, Colorado Sportbike Club members, Motorcycle Roadracing Association members, CDOT, Powersports Dealers Association, the American Motorcyclist Association, Motorcycle Safety Foundation, Motorcycle Riders Foundation and most of the rider education community in Colorado rallied their efforts to defeat this legislation.

    Job well done to those that participated and thank you for your efforts!!
    The MOST program still needs a lot of work and CDOT along with stakeholder input has a list of initiatives to implement in the program. We look forward to working with CDOT in the coming months to make the MOST program a more effective and viable program to benefit the riders of Colorado.
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