250 Production Cup - How to Grid em?

[Mforza]

Ok, i'm not racing this class but if you guys are concerned about safety and the grids being fair to everyone then start the race the Isle of Man style.
Each rider 5s appart. Then score the race after finish by time. That way it will be fair to all and you do not need the grids
Sorry, I just had to poke

[Geoff85]

Seems like the best solution. That's why he's the Pres!
To go back a bit the ballast Idea works if the bike and rider are combined, the issue becomes if a rider is extra heavy then it becomes impossible to lighten the bike within the rules or if light over ballasting up the bike be- comes dangerous.
Sorry for jumping in in the last three days I didn't see that "sticky" hiding up there.

[dragos13]

What about the guys that sandbag practice?

Would it be possible to grid (after the first race) by race times instead?

[Geoff85]

I don't think the grid would be reversed? If you sandbag practice your in the back right.

[phildrummond]

I think something different is a great idea. It's going to be a premier class, IMO, with regard to spectator interest and a "let's see what happens" vibe. I say go for as much change as you can get away with and the rulebook will allow. A LeMans start might be the tipping point that has me shopping for a 250 and it will sure as Hell have me on pit wall watching.

And for those not in the know - Tony is the president that orchestrated the final hit on Bin Laden. That's why he's the pres.

[dragos13]

I don't think the grid would be reversed? If you sandbag practice your in the back right.

Oh good point. So then its pretty much like qualifying for 250's. I definitely support qualifying

[mkdiehl]

+1 for qualifying.

Tony has some good points. Geoff and I are two "returning memebers" among others and I can tell you there is about $6,000 from my bank account spread out around the area that wasn't planned on a year ago.

The qualifying allows those that can't make saturday (work in the industry, have sig. others that like them to be at home one day on the weekend, etc) still have a chance at a good grid spot on Sunday.

[TRK]

Go with something cool..................................

[polar x]

I SSSooooooo want to post to this, but knowing my past and how well that was recieved, I will refrain but for this......

Tony has the best interest of this CLUB and CLASS and single handedly started this class because he tried something different. Its nice to see that somethings in this club never "CHANGE"... :roll:

[Jim 'smooth' Brewer]

Brewer talks about a race he saw at another club where they sent the riders off "handicapped by lap time" so that (mathematically anyway) they would ALL have an equal shot at the win. Said it was one of the most exciting races he's ever seen...

That is the CRA's Framstad Cup Race and I actually got to race it when I went to BIR with Glafke & another buddy Todd. It was VERY fun and quite interesting at the end.
I found a post describing it a little as well as a "bracket" race that it seems Trackaddix have tried. From http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/in...7934#msg347934

I've run this race so I can tell you exactly how it works. We've been doing it in the CRA for years in a race called the Framstad Cup. It is a race run once a year and you have to qualify for it by being the fastest from your class during a trophy dash race. Then we started doing it more because it is so much fun. Now we do Turtle and Hare which is the same concept only you don't have to qualify. Trackaddix got the idea from the Turtle and Hare, because lots of the Trackaddix instructors race with CRA, and have run this race.
You pick your laptime, and you don't want to beat it. It goes like this...
The slower laptimes are on the grid first. As you go back on the grid, the riders have faster laptimes until you get to the last bike on the grid which is the fastest laptime. The grid marshalls do the math ahead of time and calculate when to start each rider. The first bike gets a green flag then a few seconds go by then the next rider, etc. If the math was done correctly, and everyone sticks to their laptimes, on the last lap everyone is coming up to the finish line very close! It's super fun. You can have the slowest bike on the grid and still win. Everyone that runs this race loves it...it's so unpredictable.

The CRA has done an excellent job of making this work. Trackaddix is a well run organization and everyone involved with them is top notch. I'm very familiar with them. (in fact, I'll be racing in Moto St with one of them next year...depending on economy)
So, I would assume that they could pull it off as well as CRA has. It may take them a few tries to get the timing right for each track but once it's worked out, it's super fun.

Maybe we'd consider some type of "bracket" race one of these days?

[T Baggins]

Just to bring some closure to this... we gridded by practice "qualifying times" both days. This is what the riders decided in the morning on Saturday.

It worked out well and gave people who participated one day or the other equal chance to do well.

The races were a great success, and provided great excitement both for participants and for spectators.

Thanks to everyone for your commitment to making something new, exciting and fun happen!

[HAMMER]

Good riding old man ...... seriously great racing. ..... btw. Who ever it was that got together with me in turn 8 ....don't worry about it .... sh!t happens . I apologize for dipping in so aggressively on ya ....I will piece this turd back together and come play next race. Hope my knee is better .... AWESOME RACING !!!!!!!!!! .... 8)

[monument mike]

:wink: piecing my turd together as well...if my leathers get fixed & my ribs let-up to let me breath soon, I'll be back for more fun! I gotta seriously think about getting off these stock tires though...

[DUCDOC]

I almost got you Baggins during Colorado class! Not bad for not racing in 15 yrs. 2:12

[T Baggins]

I almost got you Baggins during Colorado class! Not bad for not racing in 15 yrs. 2:12

I saw you back there... but you came on WAY strong the last lap... Dominic had checked out and I was just too tired to try any harder. Another lap and you'd have gotten me for sure!

Welcome back!

[DUCDOC]

Only the second time I have ridden the bike! I know I can find 3-5 more seconds a lap out of it once I get her figure out....
Sooooo happy to be back racing again!

[slo lee]

Here's a link that compares pro riders who are heavier to those who are lighter and asking who has more victories on the circuit. Interesting. http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/...factor_is.html