I'm talking about porn star looking,snail trail leaving slutty ones!
I'm talking about porn star looking,snail trail leaving slutty ones!
Originally Posted by hcr25
OoooooooooOOoooooo Yeah we need those 2 per rider!
Last time I raced with OMRRA, AFM, WSMC, CRA, & CCS/ASRA, they started straight across.
Maybe we can follow the AMA's lead from 2001 --- http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...&article=12357 :roll:
Last time Mike Applesauce and I raced WERA Nationals, we lined up evenly, not staggered.Last time I raced with OMRRA, AFM, WSMC, CRA, & CCS/ASRA, they started straight across.
dave@MotoSix DOT com | MRA #31, WERA #311
i raced at Willow Springs in 03 and 04 and the rows were straight across.
MRA #29
So much opposition on this thread. I'm just happy that it will come down to our members voting, as many new riders are willing to think outside the MRA box. I dont know if there is hatred just because some of us "less senior" guys are making change suggestions. Maybe it doesn't go over well when new people come into a club and want to change things up.
I think I have made more enemies on this thread then friends, so I'll see you guys at the board and general meetings and we can go from there.
This is why ALL members should take part in the rule change meetings each year. Something as silly as diagonal grids COULD get approved if we get the right turnout.
On a side note, I'm all for colored number plates. I actually think we should do something for the RORU top 10 guys. Maybe we can have 1-10 for the big bikes, then 1x-10x for the RORU guys? It could even be 1U-10U? I dont know, but since we are most likely keeping ROR seperate it would be cool to do something.
I am also in FULL support of manditory SLUTTY umbrella girls and would be happy to start that thread if we have more support for that then staggered grids 8)
Casey D
No hatred from me and I hope the vote on the staggered grids goes better then the 11 race schedule vote
For sure bro. Thats kind of why I dont like the idea of asking members on a race day. Everyone is super pumped, excited, yeah sure 11 races would be awesome, right? Then the time comes, and hardly anyone makes the entire season.No hatred from me and I hope the vote on the staggered grids goes better then the 11 race schedule vote
Since its past the rule change time, I say we just bring this up next year and have it voted on at the rule change meeting. Let the few dedicated riders make the decision, as is done with most rules. Of course, since this is a procedure change, we can impliment it and take it away at any time. I'm layin down the gloves on this one tho.
Casey D
It's good to see that Dave has finally come to his senses (from http://forums.mra-racing.org/viewtopic.php?t=9906):
So this means we can grid up with diagonal rows?????
Thank goodness. I was starting to get worried!
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I think this is different than the 11 race vote. Really it makes no difference "how" we grid up - just so long as everyone is in the loop on it - and it doesn't backfire in some way we haven't considered.For sure bro. Thats kind of why I dont like the idea of asking members on a race day.No hatred from me and I hope the vote on the staggered grids goes better then the 11 race schedule vote
If this is truly just "change for change sake" then state it as such, and if the members are behind it (or really don't give a shit either way, which is what I suspect is the case) - the we can do it, provided that it doesn't create any ridiculous hardship for the Track Crew and Bob Heaton.
It will definitely be more difficult for him to "freehand" staggered grids evenly than it is to do straight grids. If you've ever looked down them at a 45 you'll see that they're already far from straight as it is...
Now on to the perceived "negativity, new idea hating...":
As far as the colored backgrounds - I don't see that it matters really, except that the onus is on the rider to ensure legibility, and if scoring can't read your number and there's a problem with the transponders (which there is more often than you guys realize...) then too bad so sad if you're scored wrong. We only have 2 manual scorekeepers and they do the best they can.
There is a provison in the rulebook right now whereby "Class Champions" can run reverse backgrounds the year they are defending their championship. White numbers on black background. It looks cool, but not many people take advantage of it.
We've discussed the Y or U or X after a number ever since we got the transponders. Problem is the transponders don't recognize letters, so the only thing that would have the special number would be the bike - not results or anything else... And then the issue of the medical forms that the ambulances carry. Should they have your "real" number or your ROR-U number? If they pull the wrong medical form (2 vs. 2U), then what?
As for the slutty umbrella girls, we've had those in the past as well. All we got out of it was a few divorces and an outbreak of Syphillus. :lol:
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Just to stop the hate for the transponder system before it gets generated, it's actually not a problem for the software but an issue with the database that the MRA uses for registration. This proposal has come up within the last four years (as well as changing backgrounds to which the class champ reversal was the answer) and been written off for that reason.
My mistake... I always thought it was the AMB scoring system itself, not the way we integrate into it. I'm a sales guy, not a tech guy...Just to stop the hate for the transponder system before it gets generated, it's actually not a problem for the software but an issue with the database that the MRA uses for registration.
As for a proposed solution (Dave, this is for you...):
"BURN IT, IT'S A WITCH!"
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a couple people ran their number on the sides of the main fairing this year, in additon to (or in lieu of) on the tail. Fuller's bike is a good example.
Is there any reason they couldn't run a 1U (or whatever...) on the side of their bike as part of the paint scheme... so long as their "real" number is properly displayed in the other areas?
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New "poll" for this debate here-----http://forums.mra-racing.org/viewtopic.php?t=9907
Not a problem... Closest to the fire just means first with a Zippo!
Ditto, I just raced the Barber event which was run by WERA and we gridded straight across.
Actually it was more of a blob grid pattern. The AMA diagonal boxes are painted onto the track and we were told, as we assembled on the grid, to ignore them and try to line up in rows without the benefit of grid dots.
FWIW, I like starting from pole on the inside so I'm personally not in favor of diagonal gridding. I also like to be able to swap pole position if desired. Sorry Casey!
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Not entirely true.Just to stop the hate for the transponder system before it gets generated, it's actually not a problem for the software but an issue with the database that the MRA uses for registration. This proposal has come up within the last four years (as well as changing backgrounds to which the class champ reversal was the answer) and been written off for that reason.
The MRA database can handle any extraneous text in the rider number field.
dave@MotoSix DOT com | MRA #31, WERA #311
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To those of you who have stated that you like the option of swapping inside-to-outside if you are on the pole. (I have never started on pole and doubt that I ever will, so this isn't a big issue for me but...)
On those tracks where you would stay on the inside (I'm guessing HPR and maybe PPIR?), would that preference be compensated for by the distance advantage? In other words, given my initial guess that our row spacing (dot to dot) is nine feet, would a six foot distance advantage for the outside line negate your preference for the inside line? If not, what distance would? Changing this required distance advantage would obviously change the row spacing which would necessarily increase the overall depth of the grid.
I'm just curious; I started this thread more for the discussion than for any burning desire for change - I haven't taken offense from any of the comments and hope that that feeling is shared by all of you luddites out there. :lol:
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Has anyone actually looked up the true reason for the diagonal gridding procedure for MotoGP, WSB and etc? It would seem that this discussion is a rather moot unless those involved are using the same imformation on to why it's done.
That said, adopting the rules of professional race organizations (MotoGP, WSB and etc. I'm BTW leaving out AMA for now as I'm not sure how professional they still are :roll: ) just for the appearence is adding complexity that I'm not sure that's understood by all here. I mean we could add safety cars like WSB and MotoGP does, How about a sighting lap followed by a warm-up lap? Unless we race at facilities such as these organizations do gridding up diagonally does little to add to the race but just makes the grid appear bigger and in the case of some of the naovice classes makes some unlucky person have to hold his brake on in order not to roll backwards at HPR, while he waits to start going uphill!
I just received a response from Paul Butler of Dorna Sports to my inquiry on gridding. This is his reply:
Dear Mr. Koblichke,
I have been asked to reply to your enquiry to Dorna about the evolution and merits of various starting grid solutions. As you know, since the road racing world championships began, the starts have evolved from push starts to clutch starts. In the early days of push starts the rows of some 6 riders were parallel - the push start delay and much less power allowing for a graduated departure. Since the introduction of clutch starts and much higher power outputs and acceleration, grids have evolved into "echelon" format. This evolution has been based on safety considerations - no rider is directly behind another on consecutive rows, and on reward for practice achievement - the faster riders are ahead of the slower ones on each row of the grid.
The International governing body, the FIM, has a publication "FIM Standards for Road Racing Circuits (SRRC) which illustrates the dimentions and layout of starting grids for homologated circuits. I hope this is of help to you. Paul Butler.
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Given his explanation and after looking over documents from the FIM, I see no real argument for or against parallel or diagonal gridding other than diagonal rewards riders for their practice / qualifying times. Staggered gridding (echelon style), which we do now, is all about safety
http://www.fim-live.com/en/fim/fim-official-documents/
Thanks for taking the time to contact the FIM and get this information. It's helpful.
I'm trying to get the exact dimensions of our current grid for comparison.
Scott
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