I've started a new thread to count the entries for HPR... it's an announcement at the top of the page.
May this thread R.I.P. [-o<
I've started a new thread to count the entries for HPR... it's an announcement at the top of the page.
May this thread R.I.P. [-o<
Tony Baker #21
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Holy crap so even this HPR round might not happen?
Come on guys we need everyone to race this round, sign up soon and lets each do our part in keeping the MRA alive!
Casey D
are you counting the people that sign up but havent paid yet? Im signed up, but Ive got the auto pay enabled, and it wont deduct until the weds before right?
Yup people need to sign up, I dont want the season to end where my points are right now damn it! :shock:
yes, this is ALL signups - paid or not.Originally Posted by ryan
Tony Baker #21
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YES if we don't have over 100 signed up and PAID for HPR then that event AND the remainder of the season will be canceled.
AND looking through the list of signed up I see a few that signed up at the beginning of the year but have not raced at all.
We need people to get signed up at pay!!
Ray-Ray Gaimara #16
2011-2013 Track Marshal RETIRED
2008-2009 VP of Rules and Tech
1996-2007 Corner worker/Head Corner worker/Airfence Caption
2017 Sponsors - Fun Centers Cycle, Ogio, Sol Performance, Vickery Motorsports
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OMFG!!
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!!!
:roll:
dave@MotoSix DOT com | MRA #31, WERA #311
Screwing the racers? We are the racers.
Concerned Racer, Do you think putting on a race event that was guaranteed to lose money is a good idea?
Did you attend the General meeting last Wednesday?
If we continue to LOOSE money, as we have been, and go "in debt", then that leaves us with no $$ to start next season with. Keep in mind that at the beginning of the year we have to pay for insurance, track deposits, etc...
If we go into this next race weekend knowing that we are going to LOOSE money, then why continue? If we have to stop now, to insure that there will be an MRA in 2010, then that's what we'll do.
Make sense? 8)
Jeff Brown, #277
"What can Brown do for you!"
2011-2022 New Rider Director
2008-2010 MRA Rider Representative
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Thank you very much for a REAL answer.. And yeah does kinda make sense.Did you attend the General meeting last Wednesday?
If we continue to LOOSE money, as we have been, and go "in debt", then that leaves us with no $$ to start next season with. Keep in mind that at the beginning of the year we have to pay for insurance, track deposits, etc...
If we go into this next race weekend knowing that we are going to LOOSE money, then why continue? If we have to stop now, to insure that there will be an MRA in 2010, then that's what we'll do.
Make sense? 8)
Just not sure if people wont show up to this race that everyone is begging people to show up to then why would they show up next year?
Is there a way we can drastically reduce the Overhead cost of running the club? or next year we will have to have 140 racers at every race or it could be canceled early as well?
You have zero facts and broad generalized fears that you are trolling this board with yet, I am not intelligent?Thanks for the GREAT Answer... You are obviously very intelligent :roll: Are we trying to prevent the demise of a club? or just trying to play games? Obviously you are just wanting to play games!!OMFG!!
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!!!
:roll:
Grow up moron.
dave@MotoSix DOT com | MRA #31, WERA #311
So far we have done everything we can to reduce the overhead, without taking away from the safety of the riders.....Thank you very much for a REAL answer.. And yeah does kinda make sense.Did you attend the General meeting last Wednesday?
If we continue to LOOSE money, as we have been, and go "in debt", then that leaves us with no $$ to start next season with. Keep in mind that at the beginning of the year we have to pay for insurance, track deposits, etc...
If we go into this next race weekend knowing that we are going to LOOSE money, then why continue? If we have to stop now, to insure that there will be an MRA in 2010, then that's what we'll do.
Make sense? 8)
Just not sure if people wont show up to this race that everyone is begging people to show up to then why would they show up next year?
Is there a way we can drastically reduce the Overhead cost of running the club? or next year we will have to have 140 racers at every race or it could be canceled early as well?
Jeff Brown, #277
"What can Brown do for you!"
2011-2022 New Rider Director
2008-2010 MRA Rider Representative
We could probably take some tips from CCS in Phoenix.
On Saturday, they have a trackday. We could have it sessioned and open to everyone. On Sunday we can have all the races.
They also hold their banquet at the local pub. I'm not saying to get rid of the banquet cuz honestly the season plaques are what I race for, but maybe we can drop down from the ballroom style salmon dinner. Just my opinion but based on the last meeting, the banquet seemed to be quite an expense as well.
And obviously we will remove Hastings all together
Casey D
If it's really that important to you, please show some pride and use a real username or sign your post... Because your questions have merit, (although you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and are posting inaccurate, inflammatory things) I'll answer them anyway.
If this was simply an attempt to "fire up the membership" and call them to action, then I suggest you rethink your delivery... this is serious stuff here - not some sophomoric joke that you can toss jabs at here and there to get your jollies. There are literally hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake here, I suggest you treat the situation accordingly.
I think there will be a season next year REGARDLESS of what happens this year. We've started the year with ZERO $$ (or less) in the bank more than once in the 33 year history of our club, and we've never missed a single season.
IF we cancel the rest of this season, it's SO we can guarantee there will be a season in 2010. Right now we can manage the debt we've accrued, but if we were to lose, say, another $10,000 each event - where's that money going to come from? Are YOU gonna write a check to cover it? Nope, I didn't think so... well guess what - neither am I. I've already kicked in WAY more than my share this season, and I've not raced a single event. It's not like we're sitting on a large surplus of money and don't want to lose some of it. We're OUT of money. So the prudent thing would be to AVOID that sort of situation.
"WE" aren't screwing anybody. THE OTHER MEMBERS are screwing you by not participating. Our fixed costs to run an event are about $20,000. We need a minimum of 100 riders to show up just to cover event costs (not to mention the other costs associated with running a business like printing, postage, insurance, truck maintenance, etc, etc, etc...). Fewer than that and we lose money. So exactly WHO is screwing WHOM here?
If a handful would prefer to turn their back on the club in the future because their peers couldn't see the benefit in ensuring the 2009 season finished out - then you all will be even worse off in 2010. I can't singlehandedly control participation of other members. But you all can. And posting things like "IS THE MRA DEAD?? Sounds like it to me!" certainly can't help...
Ideally we'll have 140 racers at HPR, which would net $28,000 in entry fees, which would cover our costs and pay back about HALF of the money we're already owing to outside entities, and then give us enough $$ to pay the insurance for the final two events. If only 70 sign up, should we charge each of you $400? How about if 50 show up, would you prefer to pay $560 each? Or would that be screwing you too? See, it's simple math. Income must be equal to or greater than expense - or you go out of business.
Did you really ask "Is there any plan to keep the MRA alive?" Seriously? Maybe you should go read the ninety seven different topics in the forums discussing exactly this - and then put in some worthwhile input and maybe a little effort. It's YOUR club, just as it is everyone elses. YOU have an equal responsibility to ensure it's success as does every other member.
There is absolutely NOTHING to say that the exact same thing won't happen next year. Personally, I'll do my best to ensure a different outcome. What are YOU going to do?
Tony Baker #21
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We're discussing the Saturday thing, but currently it DOES make money - so changing it to a trackday might or might not help.We could probably take some tips from CCS in Phoenix.
On Saturday, they have a trackday. We could have it sessioned and open to everyone. On Sunday we can have all the races.
They also hold their banquet at the local pub. I'm not saying to get rid of the banquet cuz honestly the season plaques are what I race for, but maybe we can drop down from the ballroom style salmon dinner. Just my opinion but based on the last meeting, the banquet seemed to be quite an expense as well.
And obviously we will remove Hastings all together
I can say, with reasonable certainty, that there will be no banquet this year - at least not like you've seen in years past. Maybe everyone can just come to my house and ride XR's the weekend of the cancelled PPIR?? :shock:
Hastings is done. That event (or rather the pitiful attendance thereof) singlehandedly ruined our 2009 season. We lost $10K at Pueblo #6, but would still have had about $20K in the bank had we not lost so much at Hastings. Had even 100 people showed at Hastings, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Tony Baker #21
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+1 for the banquet at the Walnut!!!
Casey D
From my understanding of the MRA running a trackday the day before is that all riders have to be licensed racers and an AMA member for insurance reasons.
So technically it cant be open for all riders. If it was open to all riders I think it would generate a good amount of money. If the average sign up fees racers pay is $200, and the track day cost was $100 for street guys, and $50 for racers that are signed up to race the next day. I really think that would bring in alot of money. Considering most lapping days at HPR are on Mondays or Fridays, and the chicane days typically fall on Sundays that leaves another day open for all the street guys to get their track riding in. You can also use it like a helping day for street riders and have some of the racers volunteer to help. It wouldnt be to hard because alot already offer alot of help to street guys.
But again I dont know if that could happen because of insurance.
Tony,
I haven't signed up as of yet but I'm trying my damnest to be there. I can make entry but my tires are not look'n good.
If anyone can toss me a set of Michelin take-offs that won't put me in the dirt, I'd love to hear from you.
I'm also taking night school, I'll ask everyone in my classes to come out to watch. Might be able to get 10 or so peeps to make it out. I'll wrangle up whatever friends I can think of.
I'll let you know by thursday evening.
katie
188
Guys, slow down...
We currently run 6 sprint races on Saturday too, which brings in considerable income (average of $70 per rider per class if you break it down), AND the endurance races which usually brings in $3000 or more.
We'll undoubtedly lose SOME entries if we move all the sprints to Sunday again because of the back-to-back issue (can't quantify $$ though) AND we'll completely lose the $3000 endurance entry fees.
The money brought in by the track day would have to cover all of that AND some to make it worthwhile. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that it's a pretty big leap of faith.
Also, currently as racers you pay NOTHING for practice on Saturday - it's included in your entry fees. Would you pay an additional $150 (or whatever) in addition to your entry fees to practice on Saturday? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Furthermore, we'd have to come up with some sort of license status (Associate Membership could cover it...) that would allow people to ride on our days. You MUST be both an AMA member and MRA member to participate on our event days.
Tony Baker #21
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Dave,
can you track the IP address on this profile? Is it local? It sounds like someone that has some hatred for the club that just created a new username and started blasting away. Glenn #62
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Tony Baker #21
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Wait what is this? I see my name so I gotta ask.
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