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    Rule Change Suggestions/Rule Change Meeting/Inputs Received

    We've changed the venue(and scenery) this year for the Annual Rule Change Meeting. We will be at Tilted Kilt on 16th Street in Downtown Denver on Saturday November 3rd at 2pm. We will be in their private banquet room.

    Tilted Kilt
    1201 16th Street #120
    Denver, CO 80202


    The rule change meeting is open to all members and will be held to discuss the proposed 2013 rule changes. The members attending this meeting will be encouraged to give input on the changes that should be presented to the MRA board for approval. I would like to have finalized rule changes for the 2013 season in place before the end of the year.

    Rule change suggestion summary:

    1. DOTs in supersport
    2. Combine Modern Vintage O and U as one race or separate waves
    and freeze the model year at 2003
    3. Formula Main Jet a carbureted class
    4. Change 250 cup to production cup and allow 300s and 400s
    5. Change frame and case requirements
    6. Allow superchargers and blowers in GP classes
    7. Allow reduced engine sizes to meet lower class displacements
    8. Change points structure to reflect a 7 round season
    9. Allow any type of material to be used in bodywork
    10. Delete 5.2.2-S
    11. Allow racers to reenter the race after falling down.
    12. Eliminate HW classes
    13. Eliminate Thunderbike
    14. Change VIN number requirements
    15. Requirement that you have to complete to Super Street classes
    without crashing.
    16. Allow Ninja 636 in 600 SS
    17. Create a modified 600 class to replace the HW classes
    18. Discuss the flags
    19. No generators after 10:00PM




    Listed below are the rule change suggestions, as drafted by the original author.

    1.
    Original:
    2.2.2 Class Equipment Requirements
    G. Only DOT approved tires or non-DOT full rain tires may be used. The original molded tread pattern cannot be modified. Non-DOT slicks and non-DOT intermediate tires are not allowed.

    Proposed:
    2.2.2 Class Equipment Requirements
    G. There are no restrictions on tires. Non-DOT slicks and intermediate tires along with full rains may be used.


    2.
    Original:
    2.5.1 Requirements

    Modern Vintage motorcycles must use a frame and engine case 10 years old or older, as determined by manufacturer’s model year. For 2011, the model year must be 2001 or prior.

    Proposed:
    2.5.1 Requirements

    Modern Vintage motorcycles must use a frame and engine case for a model started in production 10 years or older, as determined by manufacturers model year.

    For example for 2013, a Yamaha 2003 R6 model started 10 years ago is legal, also should be legal are the 2004 and 2005, as they are the same model with no updates that are not currently banned from updating the 2003 model to.

    Additional proposal to 2.5.1
    Ten MODEL YEAR rule - with frame and engine as the sole determinant. Since the forks and everything else are open for swap anyway, who cares...? The '99 thru '02 R6 would be considered a '99 model year. The '03 thru '05 as well as ALL R6S's (regardless of year) are all identical frame and engine, so they would all be considered '03 model year. I use R6 as the example because that’s the bike I know...

    I would combine the two classes simply into Modern Vintage Open. Currently there are only a handful of bikes in each class and a well ridden 600 could still win the class anyway. If signups warrant, we could run them in two waves as we did in the past. MVO in the front, MVU second wave.

    Additionally I would suggest we "freeze" it at 2003 model year for five years and then in 2018 change the rule to a 15 model year rule because the 2005 model year bikes are & 2006 are currently competitive in all of our Modern Classes. This is no longer in the spirit of Modern Vintage imo...

    3.
    Proposed:
    New class suggestion
    Formula Main Jet

    Only rule - Bikes must have been originally produced carbureted, and STILL be carbureted. Everything else is wide open.

    4.
    Original:
    250 production cup

    Proposed:
    Revision to 250 Production Cup:
    New name "Production Cup"
    two waves, two classifications - would run in current 250 production cup slots.

    400 & 250

    Otherwise same rules.

    This is to allow for the coming of the KTM 350 & 390, as well as the new Ninja 300 & 400 - and any other surprise little bike that might appear in the next few years. Honda and Yamaha have little bikes that are hot in other markets.. who knows they just might end up over here.

    5.
    Original:
    Superbike class requirements 2.3.1.A. Frame and engine cases must be from the same production model motorcycle, except for single cylinder motorcycles, which may use any frame.

    Proposed:
    Frame and engine cases must be from the same production model motorcycle, except for twin and single cylinder motorcycles, which may use any frame.

    6.
    Original:
    Technical requirements 5.2.2.P. Supercharging (including turbo charging and blowers) is not allowed, except in Race of the Rockies.

    Proposed: Supercharging (including turbo charging and blowers) is not allowed, except in Grand Prix (section 2.4) classes.

    7.
    Original:
    2.3.1 D Reducing engine size of machines from stock displacement to meet lower class displacement limits is NOT allowed. (e.g., a bike that is a Heavyweight in origin can NOT be re-sized for Middleweight competition.)

    Proposed:
    Remove section 2.3.1 D


    8.
    Original:
    7.3 Point Awards
    Points will be awarded by the following formula:

    1st 36 16th 15
    2nd 32 17th 14
    3rd 29 18th 13
    4th 27 19th 12
    5th 26 20th 11
    6th 25 21st 10
    7th 24 22nd 9
    8th 23 23rd 8
    9th 22 24th 7
    10th 21 25th 6
    11th 20 26th 5
    12th 19 27th 4
    13th 18 28th 3
    14th 17 29th 2
    15th 16 30th 1



    Proposed:
    7.3 Point Awards
    Points will be awarded by the following formula:

    1st 60 16th 15
    2nd 50 17th 14
    3rd 42 18th 13
    4th 36 19th 12
    5th 32 20th 11
    6th 30 21st 10
    7th 28 22nd 9
    8th 26 23rd 8
    9th 24 24th 7
    10th 22 25th 6
    11th 20 26th 5
    12th 19 27th 4
    13th 18 28th 3
    14th 17 29th 2
    15th 16 30th 1




    9.

    Original:
    2.2.2.C.l Construction must be of plastic or fiberglass composites, but not other fiber composites such as carbon or aramid fiber

    Proposed: Delete this requirement all together. Modern fiberglass bodywork is as light or lighter than any other material.

    10.
    Original:
    5.2.2-S

    Proposed:
    Delete 5.2.2-S, since it is the same as 5.2.2-D. Unless, of course, it is twice as important as the rest of the rules in 5.2.2.
    Flags and procedures will be discussed


    11.
    Proposed:
    I vote to change/bend the rule that says if any racer falls down during a race you cannot rejoin that race.

    This rule would only be for expert racers in the ROR class only, the rider must be able to continue safely & must have an MRA official in some fashion or corner worker visually check out your motorcycle for obvious leaks or damage that would make continuing an issue.


    12.
    Proposed:
    Get rid of the Heavyweight classes altogether.

    HW End
    HWSS
    HWSB

    13.
    Proposed:
    Eliminate Thunderbike


    14.
    Original:

    Change for SuperSport section 2.2 C:

    "All motorcycles must display a vehicle identification number on the main frame."

    Proposed:

    "All motorcycles must display a vehicle identification number on the main frame. Frames without vehicle identification number are allowed only if they are stock production frames without modifications of any type."
    _________________



    15.
    Proposed:
    I suggest that there be a rule that states:

    In order for a rider to successfully complete a SuperStreet class, that rider may not crash at all during the SuperStreet Event. If the rider crashes during the race, he/she may continue to ride during the remainder of the race, pending tech approval/new rider director approval, but his/her SuperStreet credit towards a provisional novice license is disqualified. In order for a rider to apply for a Novice Race license, they must have completed two SuperStreet Events without crashes in either one.

    If the rider crashes during the practice/instruction period then the rider must start in the back of the grid of the Super Street Race regardless of registered grid position pending tech/new rider director approval.

    16.
    Original: 2.2.3

    Proposed:
    Suggest change to section 2.2.3 Class displacement and configuration limits.

    Section A: Middleweight super sport

    Suggest changing from up to 600cc four cylinder
    To. 640cc four cylinder

    Change the Ninja 250 Production Cup to the Ninja Cup. Allow the Ninja 300 to compete with the production restrictions and allow the 250's to use pod filters, unrestricted electronics, unlimited suspension, brakes, and unrestricted tires.
    17. Proposed: A modified production 600 class

    (Current) Section 1 – RACE CLASS LIST
    The MRA will run the following classes at each regular event. (Classes may be combined
    into a single race but will be scored separately.):
    Novice (GTO/GTU)
    Amateur (GTO/GTU)
    • Modern Vintage (GTO/GTU)
    • Middleweight Supersport & Superbike
    • Heavyweight Supersport & Superbike
    • Open Supersport & Superbike
    • Lightweight Grand Prix
    • Super Twins (GTO/GTU)
    • Colorado Class
    • Race Of the Rockies (GTO/GTU)
    • Ladies Of the Rockies
    • Endurance Classes (Lightweight, Middleweight, Heavyweight, and
    Open)
    • Sportsman
    • Superstreet class

    (Proposed) Section 1 – RACE CLASS LIST
    The MRA will run the following classes at each regular event. (Classes may be combined
    into a single race but will be scored separately.):
    Novice (GTO/GTU)
    Amateur (GTO/GTU)
    • Modern Vintage (GTO/GTU)
    • Middleweight Supersport, Modified Production & Superbike
    • Open Supersport, Modified Production & Superbike
    • Lightweight Grand Prix
    • Super Twins (GTO/GTU)
    • Colorado Class
    • Race Of the Rockies (GTO/GTU)
    • Ladies Of the Rockies
    • Endurance Classes (Lightweight, Middleweight, Heavyweight, and
    Open)
    • Sportsman
    • Superstreet class

    (Currently)2.1 Sprint class general guidelines
    A. Expert classes are designated as Supersport, Superbike, Grand Prix, and Modern
    Vintage GTO and GTU.
    B. Amateur classes are designated as GTO and GTU.
    C. Novice classes are designated as GTO and GTU.
    D. Novice racers may enter and be scored in Novice and Amateur classes.
    E. Beginner classes are designated as Superstreet classes.
    F. Displacement, engine, chassis configuration, age, and the original
    manufacturer’s intended use and availability determine motorcycle eligibility for
    a given class.
    G. A motorcycle may only be entered in a class in which all eligibility requirements are met.
    H. If a motorcycle is entered in more than one class, it must conform to the
    requirements for each class in which it is entered.
    I. It is the racer’s responsibility to only enter classes in which his or her
    motorcycle is eligible.

    (Proposed)2.1 Sprint class general guidelines
    A. Expert classes are designated as Supersport, Modified Production, Superbike, Grand Prix, and Modern
    Vintage GTO and GTU.
    B. Amateur classes are designated as GTO and GTU.
    C. Novice classes are designated as GTO and GTU.
    D. Novice racers may enter and be scored in Novice and Amateur classes.
    E. Beginner classes are designated as Superstreet classes.
    F. Displacement, engine, chassis configuration, age, and the original
    manufacturer’s intended use and availability determine motorcycle eligibility for
    a given class.
    G. A motorcycle may only be entered in a class in which all eligibility requirements are met.
    H. If a motorcycle is entered in more than one class, it must conform to the
    requirements for each class in which it is entered.
    I. It is the racer’s responsibility to only enter classes in which his or her
    motorcycle is eligible.

    (Current)2.2.3 Class Displacement and Configuration Limits*SUPERSPORT
    A. Middleweight Supersport
    • Up to 600cc four cylinder
    • Up to 650cc pre-1984 four cylinder
    • Up to 750cc three cylinder, four stroke
    • Up to 850cc two cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 904cc two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per cylinder, air cooled
    • Unlimited displacement pushrod, two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per
    cylinder, air cooled
    B. Heavyweight Supersport
    • Up to 750cc four cylinder
    • Unlimited displacement three cylinder four stroke or two cylinder air cooled
    four stroke
    • 1125cc or less two cylinder, liquid cooled, four stroke
    C. Open Supersport
    • Unlimited displacement

    (Proposed)2.2.3 Class Displacement and Configuration Limits*SUPERSPORT
    A. Middleweight Supersport
    • Up to 600cc four cylinder
    • Up to 650cc pre-1984 four cylinder
    • Up to 750cc three cylinder, four stroke
    • Up to 850cc two cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 904cc two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per cylinder, air cooled
    • Unlimited displacement pushrod, two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per
    cylinder, air cooled
    B.Open Supersport
    • Unlimited displacement

    (New)2.3 Modified Production classes(*Current classes starting with 2.3 Superbike will be moved down in rulebook i.e. 2.4 Superbike Classes)

    (New)2.3.1 Class Requirements
    Modified Production motorcycles shall be limited to those manufactured for street use in the United
    States. Such motorcycles must be readily available to the general public from established
    manufacturers, distributors and/or dealers. Motorcycles must comply with manufacturers' published
    specifications for given models and be fitted with all original equipment. Along with the following
    items, all Motorcycle Technical Requirements and Supersport rules shall apply.
    1. Modifications introduced by a manufacturer to a basic model configuration subsequent to the
    original introduction of the model may be fitted within the limits of normal assembly procedures.
    External welding, brazing or machining for this purpose is not permitted.
    2. Modification of engine case(s) and/or cylinder castings is prohibited, except for the repair of crash
    damage.
    3. Internal engine modifications are permitted as long as the class displacement limits are not
    exceeded and the stroke is not changed. Internal transmission ratios may not be changed.
    4. Clutch lining material and number of plates may be changed.
    5. The exhaust system may be repositioned for ground clearance or an aftermarket racing exhaust
    may be fitted.
    6. The ignition coil, condenser and related wiring and fittings may be changed. Accessory electronic
    ignition systems may be used provided they are available to the general public. Generators and
    alternators may not be removed and must be in working order (individual part failure during event
    weekend exempt). Starter may be removed.
    7. Chain and/or sprockets (including sprocket material) may be changed. Ring and pinion assemblies
    may be changed.
    8. Instruments may be added, removed, or modified.
    9. The handlebar type may be changed, but they must mount in the original manner. Handlebars and
    tank must have a minimum of one (1) inch clearance at full lock.
    10. The seat may be changed. Footrests may be changed (rear sets allowed) or modified.
    11. Bodywork is open, providing 5.2 Motorcycle Technical Requirements are followed including use of any
    windshield.
    12. Aftermarket wheels may be fitted if they are compatible with the original, unmodified brake
    components. Rear Sprocket hubs and wheel spacers provided with approved aftermarket wheels
    are allowed, unless the swing arm, forks, or brake mounting require modification to accommodate
    their use. Slight chamfering of spacers, calipers, caliper mounts, forks, or chain adjusters for the
    sole purpose of smooth wheel changing is allowed. Wheel size is open.
    13. Stock brake calipers specific to model are required. Stock rear brake rotors may be drilled and/or
    machined. Aftermarket rotors replicating o.e.m. diameter may be used. (Ex.: Wave Rotors)
    14. Brake lining material may be changed and brake hub assemblies may be drilled for ventilation.
    Braided steel brake lines are allowed.
    15. Brace tubes and gussets may be added to the frame or swing arm, but no original tubes may be
    removed or bent.
    16. Rear swing arm may be stiffened and the swing arm pivot may be modified, but the frame may not
    be altered, except as provided in #15 above.
    17. Carburetors may be up‐dated or backdated to any applicable manufacturers' specifications for
    that basic model. Turbo‐charging and/or changes to the basic type of fuel induction (fuel injection
    vs. carburetors) are not considered such updating or backdating.
    18. Carburetor bodies may not be modified but may be fitted with normally replaceable components
    for jetting purposes.
    19. Air box may be modified or removed. Air cleaners and intake ducting may be modified, added,
    replaced, or removed. Velocity stacks may be fitted.
    20. Oil injection pumps may be removed.
    21. Brake calipers, discs, and fork tubes may not be exchanged for aftermarket or larger model
    assemblies (such as 1000cc front end on a 750cc bike).
    22. Tires are open; D.O.T. or racing slicks is permitted.
    23. Aftermarket triple clamps made for the specific model of bike may be used. (Stock forks as above
    in #21 must be utilized).

    (New)2.3.3 Class Displacement and Configuration Limits
    A. Middleweight Modified Production
    • Up to 600cc four cylinder
    • Up to 650cc pre-1984 four cylinder
    • Up to 750cc three cylinder, four stroke
    • Up to 850cc two cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 904cc two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per cylinder, air cooled
    • Unlimited displacement pushrod, two cylinder, four stroke, two valves per
    cylinder, air cooled
    B. Open Modified Production
    • Unlimited displacement

    (Current)2.3.2 Class Displacement and Configuration Limits **Superbike
    Class displacement limits are set as follows:
    1. Middleweight Superbike
    • Up to 640cc four cylinder four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 850cc two cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 750cc three cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Unlimited displacement two or three cylinder four stroke, two valves per cylinder
    • Up to 250cc one or two cylinder two stroke, water cooled, unlimited origin
    • Up to 1050cc four cylinder four stroke, two valves per cylinder
    • Up to 510cc two or more cylinder two stroke, water cooled
    • Unlimited displacement two stroke, air cooled
    • Unlimited displacement single cylinder
    2. Heavyweight Superbike
    • 390cc to 750cc four cylinder four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Over 390cc four cylinder four stroke, two valves per cylinder
    • Over 485cc three cylinder four stroke
    • Over 485cc two cylinder air cooled four stroke
    • Over 485cc and 1125cc or less two cylinder, liquid cooled, four stroke
    • Over 330cc two or more cylinder two stroke
    • Over 450cc single cylinder four stroke
    3. Open Superbike
    • Over 485cc two or more cylinder

    (Proposed)2.4.2 Class Displacement and Configuration Limits **Superbike
    Class displacement limits are set as follows:
    1. Middleweight Superbike
    • Up to 640cc four cylinder four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 850cc two cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Up to 750cc three cylinder, four stroke, three or more valves per cylinder
    • Unlimited displacement two or three cylinder four stroke, two valves per cylinder
    • Up to 250cc one or two cylinder two stroke, water cooled, unlimited origin
    • Up to 1050cc four cylinder four stroke, two valves per cylinder
    • Up to 510cc two or more cylinder two stroke, water cooled
    • Unlimited displacement two stroke, air cooled
    • Unlimited displacement single cylinder
    2. Open Superbike
    • Over 485cc two or more cylinder
    18. Discuss the flags.

    19. No generators after 10:00PM

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    Can we add to each item the person that first made the suggestion? That way at the meeting they can maybe kick off the discussion with their reasoning..... To then be bashed on in a public setting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttleroller277
    Can we add to each item the person that first made the suggestion? That way at the meeting they can maybe kick off the discussion with their reasoning..... To then be bashed on in a public setting
    thats a fairly PC statement brown....

    I would have said "can we please put the name of the person proposing these rules so they may be beaten with a stick, made fun of, and run off from the club for proposing such a stupid idea...."
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    BTW...i have missed the last 2 or 3 rules meetings but I swear for all my years with the club, SS/DOT tires rules comes up every year in some form.
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    Sexy Ben doesn't come anymore for 3 reasons:

    1-he is too sexy for us

    2-he is psychic

    3-he can see into the future

    Therefore there is no need to come

    8) :lol:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttleroller277
    Sexy Ben doesn't come anymore for 3 reasons:

    1-he is too sexy for us

    2-he is psychic

    3-he can see into the future

    Therefore there is no need to come

    8) :lol:
    Given this information I would like Mr. Ben to prognosticate the outcome of this year's rule change meeting based on the suggestions posted above!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybo
    Quote Originally Posted by Throttleroller277
    Sexy Ben doesn't come anymore for 3 reasons:

    1-he is too sexy for us

    2-he is psychic

    3-he can see into the future

    Therefore there is no need to come

    8) :lol:
    Given this information I would like Mr. Ben to prognosticate the outcome of this year's rule change meeting based on the suggestions posted above!

    no problem the answer is...................



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    Today is the day! Come down and voice your opinion or no complaining next year!
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    Sweet I made it, so that means I get to complain all year next year! JK.

    On a serious note. Thanks to all the board members, and club members that took the time to give a crap about this great club of ours. We had some great debates about ways to improve the rules and racing for the coming years. It is great to see so many people taking the well being, and parity of the club serious while still maintaining a good spirit about the racing family. See you all at the Awards Ceremony.
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    So i was out of town and unable to make it....anything come out of it that confirms/denies the proposed rules?

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    So i was out of town and unable to make it....anything come out of it that confirms/denies the proposed rules?

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    The recommendations still need to be ratified by the Board, and that takes place at the NEXT Board meeting in December. I don't have the list of the yea's and nay's handy... but I'll bet someone will post them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkdiehl
    So i was out of town and unable to make it....anything come out of it that confirms/denies the proposed rules?
    The generator bill that you co sponsored with Ricky did not pass.

    :lol:
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    I will give everyone the details of the meeting tonight and the input that will be given to the board. I want to thank everyone for their input and passion when it comes to the MRA.

    Thanks you!
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    Props to those that made rules suggestions, and then actually attended the meeting to plead their case.
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    1. DOTs in supersport
    A large majority opposed Slicks in supersport.

    2. Combine Modern Vintage O and U as one race or separate waves
    A large majority voted to keep both classes, but to allow exceptions for production cycles. For example the R6 is the same from 2003 to 2005, thus we would/could allow an R6 up to 2005. The board is taking inputs on eligible motorcycles.

    3. Formula Main Jet a carbureted class
    The committee decided against main jet and went for the above MV model.

    4. Change 250 cup to production cup and allow 300s and 400s
    The committee decided on leaving the 250 class as is and create an identical 300 class. The board is awaiting manufacturer information to decide if any other bikes will be allowed in the newly formed 300 class. As it stands it will be a spec 300 class.

    5. Change frame and case requirements
    Unanimously voted down

    6. Allow superchargers and blowers in GP classes
    Unanimously voted down.

    7. Allow reduced engine sizes to meet lower class displacements in superbike classes.
    Unanimously voted down.

    8. Change points structure to reflect a 7 round season
    A 20 to 3 vote that the current point structure needs to change.
    The ideas were discussed and various ideas were presented. Of those that favored a change it was unanimous for the point system proposed.

    9. Allow any type of material to be used in bodywork
    Unanimous approval

    10. Delete 5.2.2-S
    Will be deleted

    11. Allow racers to reenter the race after falling down.
    This will not be allowed except as outlined for the 4 hour.

    12. Eliminate HW classes
    Quickly rejected.

    13. Eliminate Thunderbike
    Quickly rejected.

    14. Change VIN number requirements

    Have proper documentation as required for VP of Rules and Tech.

    Vote was a large majority for an exception with proper documentation.

    15. Requirement that you have to complete to Super Street classes
    without crashing.

    This will be the New Rider Director’s issue.

    16. Allow Ninja 636 in 600 SS
    Rejected.

    17. Create a modified 600 class to replace the HW classes
    Rejected.

    18. Discuss the flags
    Red flags will be clarified. For the 30 minute endurance races a rider will be scored at the back or the last completed lap. For the 4 hour it will be the same if it happens at the end of the race, if not the race will be scored as to the number of completed laps.

    19. No generators after 10:00PM
    Rejected


    This is not the final determination, but it gives everyone an idea of the subjects that were discussed and proposed. When issues were heavily debated, I took straw polls of several consequential items and recorded the vote and at times we continued the debate. On a few select items the group was quick to approve or disapprove, thus moving on to the next item. The discussions lasted a few hours and set the tone for the presentation to the board in December. If any racer/team has a race program that will be greatly impacted by not having a final decision before December please contact me. In most cases I will be able to properly direct you. If I cannot answer your concerns, I will take your issue to the board. This is not an opportunity to debate the rules and/or the proposed rules. This is only for insight if you are building a program that will be impacted by a rule change.

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