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dragos13
January 21st, 2010, 10:06 AM
Purpose
The MRA designed the SuperStreet class for motorcycle enthusiasts who are not licensed roadracers, but who’d like to experience motorcycle roadracing on a real racetrack without the substantial investment in bike preparation and transportation equipment that club level racing typically requires. Costs for entry are low compared to the other sprint classes and bike prep is minimal. This allows people to "get their feet wet" and see if roadracing is truly for them without making a full commitment. Basically, if you are equipped to ride at a trackday you can race in the SuperStreet class.

Different from a track day, though, you will participate in an actual race against the other riders in your class where you will use race strategies & passing tactics in competing for single goal of getting to the finish line first.

Procedure
The Superstreet class is held on Saturdays in conjunction with MRA race events at the racetrack. It starts with a classroom session to discuss racetrack procedures, motorcycle preparation, and race craft tactics specific for motorcycle roadracing.

After the classroom/registration session, which will be about 1 hour, we will go through bike tech inspection. Then you’ll be paired up with an MRA race instructor who will guide you through some basic on-track racing drills and make tailored suggestions to help you go faster. The on-track sessions will be interleaved with MRA races so you’ll be able to take a breather, make bike adjustments, chat with the instructors, or watch the MRA’s Saturday sprint and endurance races.

The grand finale of the day will be the SuperStreet sprint race where you’ll be assigned a grid spot, given the green light, and compete in a full length multi-lap race against the SuperStreet field in a no-limits contest to the finish line.

Costs
Cost for the SuperStreet class and race is $100. It is for non-licensed riders only. Any racer possessing a valid roadracing license from any club is ineligible for this class. There are no trophies or season points for this class.

Motorcycle & Rider Requirements
Your motorcycle should be in good working order. Roadracing puts MUCH more stress on your motorcycle compared to canyon carving and you should make sure your bike is good shape with good tires, properly adjusted steering head bearings, suspension settings & brakes. For the SuperStreet event, you are not required to “safety wire” any parts, but are required to tape up your lights and mirrors. All controls and wearing parts should be in superb working order.

It is very important that you DO NOT have glycol based coolant in your cooling system. If your bike boils over or spills glycol on the track, it is impossible to clean up so you will ruin everyone’s day.

Superstreet class bike tech rules (see MRA Rulebook section 2.9):

Unlimited displacement, modifications and engine configurations.
Coolant must be only water, Red Line Water Wetter, Royal Purple Ice (NOT Engine Ice or Evans coolant), or Silkolene Pro CCA coolant additives are allowed in liquid cooled motorcycles. Glycol based substances are prohibited. For the purpose of these rules, motorcycles which use engine oil as a primary cooling fluid are considered to be air-cooled.
Neat and clean. Motorcycles that are dirty or show potentially dangerous bodywork damage will not be approved.
Tires must be in good condition and may not be re-caps. Valve caps must be installed. Tread must be at least 50%.
Operational front and rear brakes, with at least 50% thickness.
Operational handlebar-mounted kill switch or button.
Self-closing throttle.
All lights and blinkers must be taped or removed.
Side stands can remain on bike but must have good working return spring.
Silicone brake fluid is not allowed (DOT 5 Brake Fluid).
An MRA provided decal will be displayed on both sides of the bike at least axle line high or higher.
All machines will be left to VP of Rules and Tech final approval.
Riders must meet requirements as defined in the MRA Rulebook (https://www.mra-racing.org/racers/classes-rules/) Section 5.1 Rider Equipment.
All riders must conform to and have an understanding of Sections 8, 9, 10 and 11 of the MRA rulebook (https://www.mra-racing.org/racers/classes-rules/).
The rider bears the responsibility of presenting a motorcycle in conformance with all requirements.
All motorcycles and rider equipment must pass MRA technical inspection before participating in any practice session, race or school.
The burden of complying with the rules regarding class suitability and technical requirements rests with the entrant. It is his/her responsibility to seek approval of the VP or Rules & Tech of any areas in question.
The VP of Rules & Tech or any MRA official reserves the right to inspect any race motorcycle or rider apparel or equipment at any time during race day for compliance to MRA technical standards and may revoke the Technical Inspection Approval Sticker of any motorcycle at any time during the race day.
Any motorcycle or rider involved in a crash will be subject to re-inspection. Damage that in any way endangers rider safety must be repaired prior to starting or continuing any further practice or competition.


Schedule
SuperStreet classes will be held on the Saturdays of MRA Race events. Click here for the current MRA season schedule (https://www.mra-racing.org/schedule/season-schedule/).

On Saturday, the schedule is
11:00am – Arrive at the track, perform any pit / equipment setup as you need. You should have all of your equipment ready to go through tech & get on the track prior to the start of the registration/classroom session at noon.
Noon – Classroom registration and instruction begins. Don’t be late!
1:00pm – Classroom session ends, begin SuperStreet tech inspection
1:30pm – pair up with instructors, start the on-track drills and instruction sessions
The rest of the day will alternate with on-track and off track instruction sessions finalizing with the SuperStreet sprint race.

All bikes must be unloaded and ready to go at 1pm and must be cool enough to allow the radiator cap to be removed for coolant inspection. Any bike still hot will not pass tech due to us not being able to check coolant.

There will NOT be time to unload and setup your bike after the classroom/registration period, so please be sure that you are 100% ready to go prior to noon.

Registration
Use this quick checklist to ensure you correctly register for MRA SuperStreet. If you have any issues with your registration, you can find answers and post questions in MRA New Racer discussion forum (http://forums.mra-racing.org/forumdisplay.php?33-MRA-New-Racer-Info).

If you are a new user, please contact MRA Vice President (https://www.mra-racing.org/contact-us/). He will assign you a login for the member portal.
If you already have a login into the MRA portal, make sure to allow popups on your internet browser!
Login to the member preregistration (https://www.mra-racing.org/racers/race-preregistration/) page.
Select the “Member Login” button.
Enter your Login information.
On the “Profile” tab, add or check your personal information and update as needed.
Select the “Renew Membership” button.
On the “Membership Renewal Form”, select “SuperStreet” from “Request Skill” list.
Select the “Add Item” button and select “Super Street” from list.
Select the “Add Item” button again to add other items such as Pit Crew passes, Road Racing World subscription, T-Shirt orders and Safety Fund donations.
Select the “Recalculate” button for an updated Total (Super Street membership is $0).
Select the “Continue to Medical Information” button.
On “Medical Information & Treatment Release”, update all information to most recent status and then select the “Agree & Continue to Liability Waiver” button.
After reading the waiver, click the box on the bottom right that you are accepting the electronically signed agreement.
Have pop-ups allowed on your web browser or hold the CTRL key down when you select the “Click to Accept & Continue to PayPal “button.
Pay and you are finished! (Your total should be $0 for the Super Street membership unless other items are added to your cart)


Feel free to contact Jeff if you have any questions or concerns.

Jeff Brown, #277
MRA New Rider Director
303-210-0425
jeff@12voltracing.com

marty
January 21st, 2010, 03:51 PM
do you guys know what day of the weekend we will run this class?

rybo
January 21st, 2010, 03:58 PM
Marty,

I'm still working out the weekend race schedule, but the plan is for this to take place on Saturday. The current plan is for there to be a training session in the intermission between the endurance races and the race taking place as the last event of the day.

Scott

marty
January 21st, 2010, 04:01 PM
can current mra novices and experts run this class?

rybo
January 21st, 2010, 04:21 PM
Marty,

No. This class is only available to riders who DO NOT possess any kind of race license.

s

JWinter
January 21st, 2010, 09:18 PM
I think we will get more interest if the class was priced more like an endurance race at $50 or even $75. Although I can see the need for the extra cost due to the amount resources and time allowed for class at the track. Who is doing the "classroom" time (I assume rider reps, rider director, track marshal)?

Thanks for the additional info!

dragos13
January 22nd, 2010, 05:57 AM
The new rider director will be in charge of the class.

bluedevil
January 22nd, 2010, 07:29 AM
hmmm I dont have a race license..... :-k

T Baggins
January 22nd, 2010, 08:22 AM
I think we will get more interest if the class was priced more like an endurance race at $50 or even $75.

Thanks for the additional info!

Even to do just the endurance race, you'd have to have a license (either one day or full season)... so the cost is comparable. One day license fee is $50, so really it's only $50 for the classroom, on track instruction, and race.

We'll just have to wait and see how participation works out. If it's poor, I doubt that $25 will be the issue.

rybo
January 22nd, 2010, 09:53 AM
hmmm I dont have a race license..... :-k

An interesting point, but in your case you are still eligible for one, so it really would be cheaper for you just to come endurance racing.

s

rybo
January 22nd, 2010, 10:02 AM
I think we will get more interest if the class was priced more like an endurance race at $50 or even $75. Although I can see the need for the extra cost due to the amount resources and time allowed for class at the track. Who is doing the "classroom" time (I assume rider reps, rider director, track marshal)?

Thanks for the additional info!

Jeff,

Yes, I see your point, but the reality of the situation is that a lot of resources are in play to make this happen. At a minimum, me, the new rider director, the VP of rules and tech, several rider reps and a least an hour of track time are in motion here. $100 is a pretty good value when you consider the following:

MRA Race School: $200
MRA license: $125
Endurance entry fee: $60 per race

Divided out over an 8 race season: $100.62 per race (if you do one race per weekend)

After doing 2 of the superstreet races, with the approval of the new rider director, these riders can apply for a novice race license without taking any additional schooling.

Now in their second season:

MRA license: $125
Endurance entry fee: $60

$75.62 per race assuming an 8 race season.

All in all it's a really good deal and I hope a large group of people take advantage of it.

Thanks

s

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 10:54 AM
Marty,

No. This class is only available to riders who DO NOT possess any kind of race license.

s

hmmmmmm.....why not?

Let's say Marty has a street bike Ducati 748. That he does not want to race prep. Or try to race competatively. Why not allow him to ride it in this class and take his money?

There's many Mra racers that might have street bikes in their garage that they'd like ride get out on track but don't want to do a full race prep or care about points

truthfully having experts riders out there may help the novice riders with lines, procedure, etc....

As long as they are only entereing a streetbike in this class not a racebike(which would look intimidating to a new rider just showing up). I don't see a problem at all letting existing Mra riders pay extra money to the club.

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 11:10 AM
Btw correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't one of the major ideas of this class to get new riders ?

That said a new rider is going to be intimidated by seeing a fully race prepped bikes in this class. And this may deter him.

Don't you think the rules for this class should clearly state something that keeps race bikes out? If your new and gonna race with and bought a purpose built race bike then you should be just racing it in the novice points classes.

There should be some defining rules as what constitutes a race bike and keeps it out of this streetbike class.

Really could be a rule as simple as: any bike with number plates or the headlights removed constitutes a "racebike"

rybo
January 22nd, 2010, 11:13 AM
Marty,

No. This class is only available to riders who DO NOT possess any kind of race license.

s

hmmmmmm.....why not?

Let's say Marty has a street bike Ducati 748. That he does not want to race prep. Or try to race competatively. Why not allow him to ride it in this class and take his money?

There's many Mra racers that might have street bikes in their garage that they'd like ride get out on track but don't want to do a full race prep or care about points

truthfully having experts riders out there may help the novice riders with lines, procedure, etc....

As long as they are only entereing a streetbike in this class. I don't see a problem at all letting existing Mra riders pay extra money to the club.

Well, for one thing, I don't see why he would do it.

The cost for the Superstreet class is $100. Why would a licensed racer spend another $100 to race a streetbike in a class where there is no contingency, no points, no championship when he can enter his race bike in an additional class for $20 and possibly get some contingency dollars?

As far as having the racebikes in the class, one of our target clients would be the person who already has someone racing on the grid. This person may let their "friend" use their racebike to try it out and we would like to encourage this kind of participation.

s

dave.gallant
January 22nd, 2010, 11:25 AM
Well, for one thing, I don't see why he would do it.

The cost for the Superstreet class is $100. Why would a licensed racer spend another $100 to race a streetbike in a class where there is no contingency, no points, no championship

Because I wouldn't have to spend $5000 just to get my crap street bike race-prepped into something respectable. I don't need contingency or a championship if I don't have spend a shit ton on bike prep. (EX250 class anyone??) I could slap some DOTs on and run around on the track against other under-prepared motorcycles and simply enjoy myself on the cheap.

I too initially thought this was an open class for all under-prepared motorcycles essentially, although the crux seems more focused on getting new racers. I don't have much of an opinion either way on this (but I guess I could given enough Sweet Tea Vodka) -- I am mostly just adding an opinion.

Mark Schellinger
January 22nd, 2010, 11:28 AM
Hey Benicillin

Wouldn't you agree that the capability of the motorcycle isn't the determining factor when the rider is new to the race track?

huh

My bike is stock. It has never been raced, do you think I should enter?

?

rybo
January 22nd, 2010, 11:32 AM
Well, for one thing, I don't see why he would do it.

The cost for the Superstreet class is $100. Why would a licensed racer spend another $100 to race a streetbike in a class where there is no contingency, no points, no championship

Because I wouldn't have to spend $5000 just to get my crap street bike race-prepped into something respectable. I don't need contingency or a championship if I don't have spend a shit ton on bike prep. (EX250 class anyone??) I could slap some DOTs on and run around on the track against other under-prepared motorcycles and simply enjoy myself on the cheap.

I too initially thought this was an open class for all under-prepared motorcycles essentially, although the crux seems more focused on getting new racers. I don't have much of an opinion either way on this (but I guess I could given enough Sweet Tea Vodka) -- I am mostly just adding an opinion.

Dave,

Yeah, the goal of this class is to draw new people in not create a class for existing members to use underprepared streetbikes in.

That being said, I'm all for a spec ninja 250 class or a spec sv650 class. I'd be the first guy to buy a bike if we had something like that. (well, maybe the second as I think you would be into something like this too).

Let's make it happen, let's start now creating some enthusiasm for it and get it into the 2011 season. If you're serious you might even start a new topic for that discussion!

p.s. This is my idea of light petting.

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 11:35 AM
Because he may have a bike he doesn't want to race prep enough to ride in normal races.

There's guys out there with desmosdici's. Know of two. That don't want to race prep them. But would like to dice it up.

And they are licensed rider already. And do have the extra cash to pay $100. To turn a wheel in anger on their desmo streetbike. But not worry about someone chasing points and running them off the track.

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 11:50 AM
Hey Benicillin

Wouldn't you agree that the capability of the motorcycle isn't the determining factor when the rider is new to the race track?

huh

My bike is stock. It has never been raced, do you think I should enter?

?

acutally yes, I was going to bring you up here, because maybe you have a new rider your instructing then he decides he wants to try out the street class but is a little scared, so we allow you to ride this class as a hand holding measure for your students.

Ad the rule sits, you can't because your a licensed racer

nwatkins176
January 22nd, 2010, 11:53 AM
I like the way it is structured. I am sure there are plenty of people out there that have track day bikes and never race. If we exclude their bikes that would keep a lot of potiential new riders out. Also if you let established racers out there regardless of what bike they are on, knowing the track etc the lap times will be very different regardless of the bike. I think controlling the rider and not the bike is the best way for this class. Good job MRA. It should be fun to watch them too.

T Baggins
January 22nd, 2010, 11:54 AM
Really I see this as being two separate issues.

The intent of SS was to remove the gazillion dollar barrier so that people who "think they might want to race, but don't want to spend the mega dough to find out" could give it a try. I think putting accomplished racers in the class, even on street bikes, would be quite a deterrent for someone just wanting to get their feet wet.

IF the membership would like to add a class called "Formula No Tech" or "Formula Street Bike" - which specifically allows for the scenarios that Ben and Dave are discussing - then that's a totally different animal in my opinion. Brand new riders probably don't belong in this class for obvious reasons.

So, put that in your pipeline and discuss it!

Ps. Davey G - Jeremiah Weed is headed your way!

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 11:58 AM
I like the way it is structured. I am sure there are plenty of people out there that have track day bikes and never race. If we exclude their bikes that would keep a lot of potiential new riders out. Also if you let established racers out there regardless of what bike they are on, knowing the track etc the lap times will be very different regardless of the bike. I think controlling the rider and not the bike is the best way for this class. Good job MRA. It should be fun to watch them too.

never said it was wrong or bad....

Only mentioning a way to allow for it to add a little extra money to the club which may have been overlooked.

Mark Schellinger
January 22nd, 2010, 12:19 PM
Hey Benicillin

Wouldn't you agree that the capability of the motorcycle isn't the determining factor when the rider is new to the race track?

huh

My bike is stock. It has never been raced, do you think I should enter?

?

acutally yes, I was going to bring you up here, because maybe you have a new rider your instructing then he decides he wants to try out the street class but is a little scared, so we allow you to ride this class as a hand holding measure for your students.

Ad the rule sits, you can't because your a licensed racer

I don't know, I was just using myself as an example. I think the fact that I can't enter because I'm a licensed racer is the point. I'm not the only one that can haul ass on a stock bike.
Why would somebody new want to get involved when they look at the grid and there are licensed racers on there stock bikes to have to deal with.
Currently I can run minute 52 seconds at HPR on my stock bike. I just don't think very many non-licensed want that in their class.

Scored51
January 22nd, 2010, 12:38 PM
Well, for one thing, I don't see why he would do it.

...Because you've missed the point of showing up to a track with your buddies and you want to play together. Take Jeff Winter for example. He races an RSF450, but has a CBR1000RR for a street bike. He convinces half a dozen friends he rides with on the street to come out and play at the track, but can't because he has an MRA license! Bummer, dude.

Additionally, we need people like Mark S. out there riding to evaluate a potential new racer. Otherwise they will have missed out on the instruction and feedback of the school where each instructor covers three students. If this instructor/student relationship is deemed not necessary as proposed by the exemption, why do we need to have any instructors at the schools other than the New Rider Director?

dave.gallant
January 22nd, 2010, 12:40 PM
So, is the intent of the SuperStreet class essentially the same as Sportsman, but without the race prepping or the MRA license?

Mark Schellinger
January 22nd, 2010, 12:50 PM
Ben,

Thanks for your phone call.
I do see your point on several things you bring up.

Since this is un-chartered territory for us or any other club, I'd
like to start with what we have set up.
Maybe we can make some changes as we go.

I feel this is an opportunity for an un-licensed racer to experience racing without having to set up a motorcycle. If they like it hopefully they will buy a license and start racing as a novice.

I can see the chance for say somebodies father or brother or wife that may wish they could try it out. This person could use the current racers bike instead of taking the chance with a real street bike.
Like I said before "I don't think the capabilities of the machine will be the determining factor.

oldtimer
January 22nd, 2010, 01:05 PM
Wow, very interesting discussion sorry I'm joining so late. My .02....

For the record, the superstreet class discussion has been going on for months on the forums, at the MRA meetings, etc. Long before the rules committee meeting, at the rules committee meeting, and now it's been voted in as a 2010 class with rules in place. While I think this discussion is very good it won't have an impact on the 2010 format. Am I correct?

That being said, it's ironic that racers are complaining that they can't get into the superstreet class. Originally there was objection to this class as being dangerous, now you guys want to race it? FWIW, this is not the reaction we were getting in all the meetings and discussions leading up to the formation of this class. Where were you guys last year when we were talking about this?? :)

We as a club created this class for new guys, as a stepping stone to "try racing" and see if the rider wants to jump into a novice license. There are no points, no trophies, it's bragging rights only. And after just 2 superstreet events the racer can petition Mark for a novice license. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it have it's chance in 2010.

How about if enough guys want to create a streetbike class we put it to the rules committee for 2011?

Wyeth

dave.gallant
January 22nd, 2010, 01:07 PM
Wyeth --

I am simply asking for clarification of the intent as the rules are just now posted and I was only curious.

I have no intention of racing the class.

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 01:28 PM
Wow, very interesting discussion sorry I'm joining so late. My .02....

For the record, the superstreet class discussion has been going on for months on the forums, at the MRA meetings, etc. Long before the rules committee meeting, at the rules committee meeting, and now it's been voted in as a 2010 class with rules in place. While I think this discussion is very good it won't have an impact on the 2010 format. Am I correct?

That being said, it's ironic that racers are complaining that they can't get into the superstreet class. Originally there was objection to this class as being dangerous, now you guys want to race it? FWIW, this is not the reaction we were getting in all the meetings and discussions leading up to the formation of this class. Where were you guys last year when we were talking about this?? :)

We as a club created this class for new guys, as a stepping stone to "try racing" and see if the rider wants to jump into a novice license. There are no points, no trophies, it's bragging rights only. And after just 2 superstreet events the racer can petition Mark for a novice license. It's a great idea and I'd like to see it have it's chance in 2010.

How about if enough guys want to create a streetbike class we put it to the rules committee for 2011?

Wyeth


No I don't want to race it either.

But what I haven't explained clearly enough. Which I did on the phone with mark was:

I don't like limiting ourselves. Like saying "no licensed riders".

Because of te fact that right now everyone is fired up for this class "build it and they will come"

well that's awesome. But what about 3 race weekends into the season? Will there still be 10 streetbike riders out there? Or just 2. What about 5 races into the season? 1 streetbike rider?

Interest may fall off, maybe we lose some street riders because they now decide to get a license, I'm just thinking of how full this grid will stay based purely on streetbikes, so maybe by allowing licensed riders, there will be a few extra guys out there to fill the grid if they decide to give their streetbikes a thrash, that have been sitting in thier garages....(not race). The desmo is a perfect example. There's no one in their right mind gonna "race prep" a bike like this but there's people who'd like to give them a little run to see what it's got against a gsxr1000.

Maybe there are some other exotic bikes out there that a some of our licensed riders might like to have this option. Someone in this club owns an rc45. I'd love to see that bike on the back straight against a desmo.

The class is named "superstreet", not new street rider class.


Again the point is I was trying to make was not limiting ourselves for scenarios later in the season.

oldtimer
January 22nd, 2010, 01:39 PM
Wyeth --

I am simply asking for clarification of the intent as the rules are just now posted and I was only curious.

I have no intention of racing the class.

Got it, please keep asking questions. xoxo

This class is about the MRA being open and welcoming to new racers. It's inexpensive and has a track day level of prep requirements. Most of the people coming forward are track day riders who are curious about racing. It's proposed to be after all the other Saturday races so we can encourage these guys and watch their race. I dig the whole concept, very excited to see how many people come out.

nwatkins176
January 22nd, 2010, 01:52 PM
I am looking forward to watching them after endurance, should be a decent show too. I just hope they all don't try to win the Moto GP championship in the first race.

Mark Schellinger
January 22nd, 2010, 01:58 PM
The class is named "superstreet", not new street rider class.



Maybe we miss named the class. :oops:

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 02:41 PM
The class is named "superstreet", not new street rider class.



Maybe we miss named the class. :oops:


yes it should be called markys bad ass bunch of new riders.

DarkKnight
January 22nd, 2010, 02:45 PM
Just out of curiosity and in the interest of sustaining the new class, has anyone (PR) spoken with the dealerships to promote this opportunity to street riders? This would put the idea before a lot of people that may still not know that MC racing even exists in CO or may not tune into the forums or have friends who are racers.

oldtimer
January 22nd, 2010, 02:46 PM
The class is named "superstreet", not new street rider class.


Again the point is I was trying to make was not limiting ourselves for scenarios later in the season.

Good points Ben, and you're not the first person to wonder about the size of this grid. You're right, the whole idea is to convert these riders into novice licenses so what will happen to the superstreet grid? Ideally it will generate new blood in the MRA and renew itself with interested track day riders. I think it's worthwhile experiment, we'll offer a protected class for the new guys to try without cherrypicking racers in it.

Lord knows I'd be the first in line if I could get in!

oldtimer
January 22nd, 2010, 02:50 PM
Just out of curiosity and in the interest of sustaining the new class, has anyone (PR) spoken with the dealerships to promote this opportunity to street riders? This would put the idea before a lot of people that may still not know that MC racing even exists in CO or may not tune into the forums or have friends who are racers.

Actually yes! Don't know that it's finalized but this idea has already been proposed. :)

JimWilson29
January 22nd, 2010, 03:04 PM
Just out of curiosity and in the interest of sustaining the new class, has anyone (PR) spoken with the dealerships to promote this opportunity to street riders? This would put the idea before a lot of people that may still not know that MC racing even exists in CO or may not tune into the forums or have friends who are racers.

This is currently in the works.

benfoxmra95
January 22nd, 2010, 03:16 PM
There's one last thing I want to throw in here for you guys to keep in the backs of your brain.

I like the idea of this streetbike class, actually alot more the more I think about it.

I'd really like everyone to consider for a future time my reccomendation of allowing previously and currently licensed riders in for the reasons I stated above and the added reason that this also could draw back in older hibernating Mra racers that don't have race bikes right now, can't afford a race bike, but have a street bike in ther garage.

I know there's gotta be some old license holders out there that'd might like the adrenaline rush of the green flag but don't want to or can't get a "true" race bike. Maybe they come back and ride this class a couple times a summer.

I think the growth potential of this class and the purpose it "could" serve is multi level, not just for new riders.

Signing off now.

Btw Wyeth, i'd like to propose qualifying for this class...... #-o

just kidding.....

marty
January 22nd, 2010, 04:31 PM
The class is named "superstreet", not new street rider class.



Maybe we miss named the class. :oops:


yes it should be called markys bad ass bunch of new riders.

:lol: :lol: i second that nomination!

Bueller999
January 23rd, 2010, 03:06 PM
I know there's gotta be some old license holders out there that'd might like the adrenaline rush of the green flag but don't want to or can't get a "true" race bike. Maybe they come back and ride this class a couple times a summer.

.....

I have not held a license since 2006, and I have been thinking that this might be fun, and possibly on more than a few races. I have no desire to come back to the normal grids, but this is a possibility. Would I be legit to enter and if so would I have to do the class room stuff every time or even the first time? And possibly a price break for not requiring the instructional part.
Keep in mind I am on a bike that puts out stock SV650 power :lol:

LordLosh
January 23rd, 2010, 11:03 PM
I just want to throw my 2 cents in. If i didn't love my street bike more then i love my own mother ("and i Still love my mommy a lot") i may want to race it. Having said that i wouldn't want to race it with fellow racers, no offense but if you want more people to come out and enjoy it then let them win. Having experienced racers out their with their street bikes blowing by them in turns and straights is not going to make it fun for some one that just wanted to try it. If that many of you fellow racers want to race your street bike then why not just add another class just for you guys?

Also when are these races going to take place? hopefully at the end of the day right?

marty
January 24th, 2010, 02:20 AM
would an acceptable compromise be, IF we have any mra members who want to race their street bikes, could we put them in a first wave. this way the street guys could still race for a win and the desmos and the like could still have some open track to rip it up.

lap traffic would still be an issue but i would guess most mra guys and gals would try to make more "gingerly" passes if they were on their nice street machines when passing a more timid lapped street rider.

rybo
January 24th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Marty,

I'm still working out the weekend race schedule, but the plan is for this to take place on Saturday. The current plan is for there to be a training session in the intermission between the endurance races and the race taking place as the last event of the day.

Scott

Here you go Mr. Losh!

rybo
January 24th, 2010, 11:53 AM
I have not held a license since 2006, and I have been thinking that this might be fun, and possibly on more than a few races. I have no desire to come back to the normal grids, but this is a possibility. Would I be legit to enter and if so would I have to do the class room stuff every time or even the first time? And possibly a price break for not requiring the instructional part.
Keep in mind I am on a bike that puts out stock SV650 power :lol:

Dave,

Please understand that the superstreet class is a marketing tool for us. We are trying to increase membership as a whole. Therefore we are going to require anyone who wants to race in the class to take the instructional portion every weekend.

If people want to come and grid up and race, that's great. To avoid taking the class we're going to require them to have a full MRA race license. If you want to come out and play, then it's going to mean some class time every weekend.

Marty,

At this point my vote is to leave it as it is. What we're trying to do as an organization is create a safe space for learning during our race weekend and encourage the participation of new riders.

I'd be happy to revisit this discussion after we've done it a few times and see how it goes. At this point I think we have a good foundation of what we would LIKE this to look like, but it's going to take a couple rounds of doing it to get the bugs worked out before I'm interested in modifying it much.

As an aside to all: This rule change proposal was made in August of 2009. It's been discussed on the forums, there was a rule change meeting and a number of opportunities to voice opinions about how this should be executed. I guess my point is this, I find it a bit disappointing that with those opportunities presented that it isn't until AFTER the final rule is announced that we are anxious to debate it. Decisions are made by the people who show up.

Scott

Bueller999
January 24th, 2010, 12:07 PM
I understand the marketing part, I don't understand the viability part. If the class is successful at its "goal" it will die due to attrition. IMO you have to encougage repeat offenders. And you still didn't answer my question. Am I legit to run in this, does the MRA want my $

rybo
January 24th, 2010, 12:13 PM
I understand the marketing part, I don't understand the viability part. If the class is successful at its "goal" it will die due to attrition. IMO you have to encougage repeat offenders. And you still didn't answer my question. Am I legit to run in this, does the MRA want my $

Yes, to be "legit" you cannot be eligible for a race license. Since you are more than 3 years expired, you are legal. (and for sure we want your money...)

Yes, the idea would be for the class to die of attrition, that's the ideal situation, but new riders are created every day. My guess is that we will see a strong interest in the class at the beginning of the season with some folks either converting or quitting as the season progresses, with a resurgence of interest again in the early part of 2011.

s
:D :D

dave.gallant
January 24th, 2010, 12:15 PM
I understand the marketing part, I don't understand the viability part. If the class is successful at its "goal" it will die due to attrition. IMO you have to encougage repeat offenders. And you still didn't answer my question. Am I legit to run in this, does the MRA want my $

Yes, to be "legit" you cannot be eligible for a race license. Since you are more than 3 years expired, you are legal. (and for sure we want your money...)

Does it actually state this in the rule change wording? I thought the initial wording was "not current MRA racing member".

3 years post license applies to a Novice MRA Race License specifically.

oldtimer
January 24th, 2010, 03:21 PM
After last year the whole club agreed we need to grow our membership and be more welcoming to new people. That was the impetus behind creating the superstreet class. The goal is to keep it a fun friendly stepping stone, lower key than say, Novice GTU. It's the only class a superstreet racer (who's not licensed) can run. The target superstreet entrant is a track day rider who's curious about racing, or someone who's been away from the club for a while. The goal of this event is to breath new life into the MRA.

For the racers who are disappointed at not being allowed into superstreet--we often hear from the track day riders that they're worried about being too slow, or being buzzed by racers. That's why we're keen to keep it a protected class for new guys. This is uncharted territory, but I'm optimistic that it could really build our membership if we give it a chance.

dragos13
January 25th, 2010, 06:37 AM
Does it actually state this in the rule change wording? I thought the initial wording was "not current MRA racing member".

3 years post license applies to a Novice MRA Race License specifically.

You are correct on the wording. There will not be a post 3 year license rule for this class. So, if you raced last year but this year decide to NOT get a race license, you can definitely come down and run the Superstreet class. This could be on your old race bike or your current commuter.

motolitho
January 27th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Hello, I am sort of new here and wanted to let you know that I seem to be the demographic targeted. I have run several track days last year and am looking forward to expanding that to racing with the MRA. I am slowly prepping my bike, but have some pricey bits yet to buy and may not be able to come up with the cash to be ready in time. SO- this new class will afford me a couple of nice privileges, get the feet wet, more track time, get to know you guys... and generally gather as much info as possible to prepare for 2011.

I am on the wrong bike (GSXR100), a little out of shape, and more than apprehensive about dicing it up with some dude on a desmosdici or whatever that packs a race license and a hell of a lot of corner speed... sorry guys- I know its YOUR job to get around me. I need some time to get up to speed- I would much rather better my 2:15 at HPR before entering a real race. Not to mention the time I need to get my suspension even close and try take offs for the first time. This class is for us- and a DAMN good idea!

On the PR side- you guys have my info- I attended the SS meeting. I am also on the Chicane customers list. No one has contacted me personally about the updates to this class other than finding this thread and talking to Bartman at Faster. You guys can do better to reach out. I even offered someone in charge of PR to help- I work for a commercial printer and offered to print for free. No response.

Chris Burford

JimWilson29
January 28th, 2010, 09:32 AM
On the PR side- you guys have my info- I attended the SS meeting. I am also on the Chicane customers list. No one has contacted me personally about the updates to this class other than finding this thread and talking to Bartman at Faster. You guys can do better to reach out. I even offered someone in charge of PR to help- I work for a commercial printer and offered to print for free. No response.

Chris Burford

Chris,

On behalf of the MRA's PR effort, I apologize that I did not contact you personally. I did contact those that offered me printing help and unfortunately I do not recall our conversation nor receiving your contact information. It could have been an oversight on my part. If you would, please PM me your contact information and we can discuss offline the MRA's printing needs.

Chicane is a separate organization and not affiliated with the MRA so we do not have their customer list.

Super Street is a new class for 2010 and the rules were just finalized recently. We have tried our best to get this information out to all potential SS competitors. This has included posting the rules on multiple forums, email distributions, the MRA's facebook page, and holding clinics like the one you attended at the Walnut Room and the upcoming scheduled clinics. Unfortunately attempting to call each interested individual personally to go over the rules would be a tedious undertaking so the MRA has relied on publicly posting the rules. I'm sure our Rider Rep overseeing the rulebook, Casey Dragos, would be happy to speak with you further on the rules.

Thanks for bringing these deficiencies to our attention and we will try to do a better job reaching out to everyone.

Jim

dragos13
January 28th, 2010, 10:04 AM
I would absolutely be happy to help with the rules regarding the Superstreet class or anything else for that matter.

I can be reached via PM on this forum or my email address listed below. Feel free to send over any questions or concerns you have about racing.

As Jim said, we cannot call EVERY rider but we are here to answer any calls :) I hope that helps!

motolitho
January 28th, 2010, 10:40 AM
No worries... I was just offering my opinion. I have had no issues getting the info I need. I just deal with marketing on a daily basis and thought an email blast or small direct mail piece may be in order. :oops:

Mark Schellinger
January 28th, 2010, 01:34 PM
I am on the wrong bike (GSXR100),
Chris Burford

DUDE... you really are on the wrong bike.
But if your doing 2:15's at HPR on a 100 you may be on to something. lol

T Baggins
January 28th, 2010, 01:58 PM
If we have the SS rules and everything completely settled, then it would do no harm to do an e-mail blast. Scott, Jim, Rybo - is it buttoned up and ready for the masses?

motolitho
January 28th, 2010, 03:22 PM
I am on the wrong bike (GSXR100),
Chris Burford

DUDE... you really are on the wrong bike.
But if your doing 2:15's at HPR on a 100 you may be on to something. lol

Rad.

Snowman
January 29th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Being an AMA member but not an MRA one yet, I would like to pre-register for the first two races if that is a possibility, or will this be a first come first serve kinda deal?

OUTLAWD
February 1st, 2010, 12:46 AM
trying to get pole position, eh..?

but your dirty bird is soo intimidating, ya know, cuz its a track bike :)

as a potential for this class, I'd just like to say that I think it would be nice to have some experienced eyes out there on the track(not competing necessarily)...granted, getting blown by like you are standing still may seem discouraging, but you aren't going to get any faster following riders with little/no experience, however, you may be able to pick up a few things from someone with a bit more track time.

and speaking from experience, I'd much rather be passed by someone who knows what there doing, then get stuffed in a corner by a fellow noob

T Baggins
February 1st, 2010, 08:18 AM
Being an AMA member but not an MRA one yet, I would like to pre-register for the first two races if that is a possibility, or will this be a first come first serve kinda deal?

first come first served for now, though we may offer an "online payment" system for SS before the season starts. We're working on other things at the moment, but this "is" on the list of things to do.

Mforza
March 2nd, 2010, 08:05 AM
As I'm not getting the licence this year I think I will take my 1972 GT550 and race this class sometimes :D

Might be fun to race against the new bikes on this "old lady" :)

Can I do that?

This bike have only about 60hp so I would be somewhere around 2:30 - 2:45 lap times :D

rybo
March 2nd, 2010, 08:39 AM
As I'm not getting the licence this year I think I will take my 1972 GT550 and race this class sometimes :D

Might be fun to race against the new bikes on this "old lady" :)

Can I do that?

This bike have only about 60hp so I would be somewhere around 2:30 - 2:45 lap times :D

Martin,

So long as the bike can pass tech, it would be allowed in the class.

scott

Mforza
March 2nd, 2010, 01:25 PM
Cool :D

Better get her in shape now :D :D

Carnage
March 8th, 2010, 11:21 AM
As a relative "newb" to trackdays, I was excited to hear about this classification. But I ask myself, "Why would an experienced racer, regardless of their classification (novice, amateur, etc.), want to ride/race alongside the intended riders of this class." The stated reasons seem quite suspect and defeat the purpose for creating this class.

Although I'm sure a newb like me will be competing against experienced trackday riders that are "technically" novice/amateur/expert racers without a license, I find it discouraging that currently and previously licensed racers are looking for "loopholes" that would allow them to ride in this class. Is it to prove their superiority amongst a group of future race prospects?

If this classification is ultimately gridded with licensed racers, I would sooner continue my normal trackday riding and altogether skip this opportunity to learn about racing.

Just my opinion.

dragos13
March 8th, 2010, 11:40 AM
As a relative "newb" to trackdays, I was excited to hear about this classification. But I ask myself, "Why would an experienced racer, regardless of their classification (novice, amateur, etc.), want to ride/race alongside the intended riders of this class." The stated reasons seem quite suspect and defeat the purpose for creating this class.

Although I'm sure a newb like me will be competing against experienced trackday riders that are "technically" novice/amateur/expert racers without a license, I find it discouraging that currently and previously licensed racers are looking for "loopholes" that would allow them to ride in this class. Is it to prove their superiority amongst a group of future race prospects?

If this classification is ultimately gridded with licensed racers, I would sooner continue my normal trackday riding and altogether skip this opportunity to learn about racing.

Just my opinion.

Licensed racers will NOT be able to grid up for this race. It is stated to be for non-licensed riders ONLY.

:)

Carnage
March 8th, 2010, 11:52 AM
The thread is full of comments questioning the rules that exclude licensed riders who contend they would like to ride in this class with their streetbikes, or stating that their participation would fill grids and increase MRA revenues.

I'm merely voicing the opinion of a rider that you're reaching out to. :wink:

dragos13
March 8th, 2010, 12:00 PM
The thread is full of comments questioning the rules that exclude licensed riders who contend they would like to ride in this class with their streetbikes, or stating that their participation would fill grids and increase MRA revenues.

I'm merely voicing the opinion of a rider that you're reaching out to. :wink:

You are the rider type that we wrote these rules for.

I understand what this thread has discussed, I just wanted you to know for sure how the rules are structured and that you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for your opinion on this :) If anything else comes up that you have questions or concerns about please let us know!!!

zedx6rroadracer
March 10th, 2010, 07:36 PM
I am also the type that is interested in this class. Done a few trackdays, have a prepped bike but not ready to race as of yet. I wouldn't mind having a few licensed experts out there. I agree it can help my riding dramatically. I'm not going for the win I just want an opportunity to get out there and dice it up a lil bit.

Unfortunatelly I don't think I will be able to partake in any of these races because of the fact they will take place on a Saturday. I like many have to work saturdays but an occasional Sunday I could fly. Who knows I may be out there, we shall see.

My .02

Kirk

davy4575
April 7th, 2010, 11:58 PM
Well, I think im your target demographic here. Ive ridden along time, and have done track days here and there in other states. I dont have the time or finances this season to get a race bike going. Id love to go take my street ride out to dice it up, without the worry of being in professionals way. I realize that surely there will be quicker paces than others in this class, but hopefully it wouldnt be as disproportinate as if us newbies were in with the other regular classes.

that being said, just a couple questions.
Im planning on attending the school this weekend. Im assuming that if I want to race one or two of these ss races, that I should not purchase the license at this time, post school.

Wondering if anyone has an idea as to how competative this class will be (IE: are we going to be a bunch of lemmings out there, trashing our beloved street bikes lol)

Also, i didnt see it in the fourms. Do i need to have a steering stabilzer installed for the ss classes.

Thanks

dragos13
April 8th, 2010, 06:10 AM
You are correct about your race license. DO NOT purchase a license if you plan on running the Superstreet class as being licensed will make you ineligible.

No clue on how competitive this class will actually be. Its our first year running such an event, so its anyones guess as to how things will turn out. Personally, I think it will be on a "per weekend" basis. We might get some super fast track day/canyon carvers one weekend, and maybe just your average street guys the next.

You don't need a steering damper for the Superstreet class.

If you have any other questions, please email myself or any other board members. Also, feel free to post up here.

See you at the track this weekend!!!

Throttleroller277
January 3rd, 2011, 09:18 AM
Just to clarify for those that will be participating in the Superstreet class for 2011, an AMA Membership will not be required for 2011.

Though we do still support the AMA, and recommend an AMA Membership for the Roadside Assistance benefits vs using AAA...

Titus
March 4th, 2012, 08:00 PM
So how was the turnout for this class last season?

Was it about the same number of entrants through each round or were there more/less as the season progressed?

And how aggressive were the riders on their streetbikes?

I'm really liking the idea of this class, I did a few trackdays and last year & now I want to get a dedicated track bike. With this class I might be able get my feet wet in an actual race.

One other question, I don't see any origin of bike restrictions in the SuperStreet rules. Would a GP bike (non-street bike) be allowed in the class as long as the rider is eligible?

I want to get a honda rs125 2-smoker & run trackdays + SS the first year. Then perhaps novice classes the next year.

KFinn
March 4th, 2012, 10:08 PM
So how was the turnout for this class last season?

Was it about the same number of entrants through each round or were there more/less as the season progressed?

I don't know, someone from the board might have a better indication.

Seemed though from my memory that most rounds had a fair amount of entrants turn out.



And how aggressive were the riders on their streetbikes?

The speed varies as does the aggressiveness. Typically it appears that they generally stay within their own limits. But as we are all human, sometimes our aspirations get the best of us in the moment.



One other question, I don't see any origin of bike restrictions in the SuperStreet rules. Would a GP bike (non-street bike) be allowed in the class as long as the rider is eligible?

I want to get a honda rs125 2-smoker & run trackdays + SS the first year. Then perhaps novice classes the next year. There are no real bike limitations for superstreet as it isn't quite a traditional race series. It is a way for you guys to come out and see what it is all about in small tastes. Many have come out for several rounds to continue doing superstreet. But there isn't any official timing or scoring and therefore no points / championship keeping. Since there isn't any score and the point is to come out and experience it, there are no bike restrictions. Just prep to pass tech inspection and safety.

rybo
March 4th, 2012, 10:09 PM
So how was the turnout for this class last season?

Was it about the same number of entrants through each round or were there more/less as the season progressed?

And how aggressive were the riders on their streetbikes?

I'm really liking the idea of this class, I did a few trackdays and last year & now I want to get a dedicated track bike. With this class I might be able get my feet wet in an actual race.

One other question, I don't see any origin of bike restrictions in the SuperStreet rules. Would a GP bike (non-street bike) be allowed in the class as long as the rider is eligible?

I want to get a honda rs125 2-smoker & run trackdays + SS the first year. Then perhaps novice classes the next year.

The entrants for the class averaged about 12 with a peak of 29 last season and a low of 8. The weekend we had 29 entries was the week after our 4 hour endurance weekend, when we don't run the superstreet program, so I'm guessing that it was pretty much residual from two rounds that lead to that spike.

We've seen some GREAT racing in this class, some with close finishes. There have been some crashes, but for the most part I would say that the level of "aggressiveness" is about the same as the fast group on a trackday.

There are no bike restrictions - Superstreet is "run whatcha brung"

As a side note from a guy who's owned some 2-stroke GP bikes - they are wicked fun, and you will develop great riding skills by having one, but if you are at all uncomfortable doing maintenance then this is not a great choice. They require quite a bit of attention to keep running well with reasonably short intervals between needing top ends to stay in top running condition. Also, with the demise of 2 stroke racing at the highest levels, parts for them are becoming more scarce and expensive. Not saying that you shouldn't do it, just saying make sure that you look at the whole package before you do. Other great choices for first trackbikes exist out there, including a well sorted 1999 R6 that's on the forums for extremely reasonable money right now. The SV650 is also an outstanding choice as a first dedicated track / racebike.

Hope that helps!

Scott

MadVlad
May 25th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Hi there I'll do a quick intro along with my questions, glad to be a part of the 2 wheel community which is an awesome one, wouldn't have it any other way!

Name is Damir, 25 years old, currently work as an apprentice for Mike Ward Infiniti. Been a member of the Colorado Sport bike Club since 07' and riding sport bikes since I was 17. Been wanting to take the next step to track racing for a long time now, never had the money or time unfortunately. However, just found out this year about the Super Street race class to be able to improve and see what I can really do cause well canyon carving is just getting old, dealing with LEO's/dumb cagers, animals and road hazards is just not worth it anymore. Never was a crazy rider anyways, just looking to do the responsible thing while keeping my life/all points on my DL and staying away/keep others from danger.

Want to send a huge thanks to Jim Wilson who made it easier for me at the Walnut Room to make the jump on this during an MRA meeting by giving me a gift certificate for a free S.S entry this year. I am shooting for the HPR session August 25th to pop my track cherry, gather up the gear, prep the bike and have some time in advance to prepare and join the addiction 100% which was made even easier when I went to PPIR this past Sunday, saw the races, just hooked 110% on this idea and haven't even stepped onto the track once yet lol... So now my questions are:

1. If I want to get signed up to reserve my spot which I tried already BUT you have to enter a credit card #, however it doesn't offer you a certificate option, how do I go about signing up with the certificate I was given?

2. I am a type 1 diabetic but have the condition under very good control, is this a big deal that could keep me from racing?

Thanks in advance and sorry if the post is a clusterf*** lol 8)

rybo
May 25th, 2012, 05:29 PM
MadVlad-

The certificate is an exception - send an email to Jim Wilson, Jen Grosse and Lisa Gaimara with your request and we'll get you signed up for the event in August.

As far as your medical condition - we will have you fill out a medical form on the day of the event. Your condition shouldn't keep you from racing, barring an event just before the event that shows the condition is not properly controlled.

Disclosure on the medical form is the key - if there are large concerns we will review it with you and our on-site medical team in advance of your participation.

Welcome to the MRA - you're going to like it here!

Scott

MadVlad
May 25th, 2012, 06:04 PM
Thanks for the prompt response Scott, hope you're recovering well from your crash a few weeks ago. I will get in contact with the people mentioned above to get the process under way. I'm very excited about this!