Results and times from Round #8

[DarkKnight]

Don't mean to be a pain cuz were all busy but, what are the chances the results and times from round #8 will be posted before the long weekend starts. I was starting my end of season sponsor summary letter and it would be nice to have that info to include.

Thanks all

[DOUBLE A]

Ha ha thought they were being posted till I read your post....+1 I need some results too...THANKS!!!

[DarkKnight]

Guess I could have chosen a better subject line but, it will get your attention

[elvis8310@hotmail.com]

I have been thinking the same thing all week. I would like to see were I finished the year and have something to start building a sponsor patck.

[JenJen]

Hey All,
I had a family emergency so have not had a chance to update things! I will be getting everything sent. Due to the fact it is the end of the season we have to take care of things with novice hours and those who did not complete them. I will get it done as quick as I can!

Thanks for your understanding!

[DarkKnight]

No pressure - things happen - Hope everything is well. Inquiring minds do want to know though. :{>

[elvis8310@hotmail.com]

I would actually like to see the list before people get dropped due to not doing there HRS.

[cromer611]

usually the guys/gals in top 15 finishs get there hours done cuz they want to progress.

[peteyt328]

Ya Nikol worked mine the last race so I want to make sure the paperwork for that whent through, I wants ta keep ma points!

[NossLou]

i can vouch for that too.....^ Your going to stomp nov next year dude!

[DOUBLE A]

m'kay it's september 10th now.....& I am going to cry.... :(

[JenJen]

Should be up soon hang in there I know it's difficult..... It will be posted I promise!

[hcr25]

Are they up yet?

how about now?

now? :wink:

[DOUBLE A]

Are they up yet?

how about now?

now? :wink:

not yet just wait! LOL

[cromer611]

sheesh be patient.....GAWD! : P

[elvis8310@hotmail.com]

Cromer you know how you finished off the year alot of use don't. It would be nice to see how I did so I can see were to go from here. Actualy I only care about solo middleweight endurance. That is the class I was doing best, was tied for 10th before start of last race.

[cromer611]

I spell god with sarcasm, hope you woulda cought on. oh em gee...
(omg)(ohmygod)(sarcasm)

[dragos13]

Cromer you know how you finished off the year alot of use don't. It would be nice to see how I did so I can see were to go from here. Actualy I only care about solo middleweight endurance. That is the class I was doing best, was tied for 10th before start of last race.

Pretty simple, did you beat the guy you were tied with?

Hey Jen, I guess this is what you guys get for doing such a damn good job this year and getting results out ASAP after each race. Now people "expect" it 8)

[snay]

I spell god with sarcasm, hope you woulda cought on. oh em gee...
(omg)(ohmygod)(sarcasm) :mrgreen: Your the man good job champ!!! you funny and fast

[elvis8310@hotmail.com]

I spell god with sarcasm, hope you woulda cought on. oh em gee...
(omg)(ohmygod)(sarcasm)

Dude I was messin with YA.

[Mforza]

Now, what I do understand is that if I did not work the novice hours, I will not have any points in final standings, but whot I do not understand is why I do not have any results in the races that I raced and paid for?
Just question :)

[JenJen]

If you did not pay for your novice hours your results are deleted. Points are automatically generated when finishing order is put in. Hope that answers your question.

Thanks

[Mforza]

Got it :)

[cjmagnuss]

If you did not pay for your novice hours your results are deleted. Points are automatically generated when finishing order is put in. Hope that answers your question.

Thanks

Erased from existance.

[DarkKnight]

Jen-

Thanks for getting the results posted. Will lap times be posted soon as well?

[dave.gallant]

Jen-

Thanks for getting the results posted. Will lap times be posted soon as well?

Working it right now.

[DarkKnight]

Thank You

[Mforza]

No lap times for me :( I'm erased :(

[tomtom]

Hey guy, I know that really, really sucks!!! I seen you out there, and makin' me look pretty sketchy, all this season to come down to a little technicality like novice hrs. Heads-up, move on and we gots lots of racing still to come! Tom

[snay]

It sucks racers lost their point and finishes but it Really sucks that all of us novices didn't do are part pay or work for are club its a lot of $$ the club could use or have saved in hard times we all knew it needed to be done by 8/30

[dirkterrell]

Deletion from existence seems an awfully harsh punishment. :) I can understand losing your spot on the grids next year and maybe your position in the final standings, but complete deletion from the database is too much. If the club needs an extra $50 from novices, put it in the race license and eliminate all this extra work tracking down who's done what. I'm trying to do a statistical study of the novice race times for a new novice class format and this skews the results.

Dirk

[hcr25]

Its not just that the club needs the $50. The $50 was an option was offered towards the end of the season to the novice races who waited to long or couldn't for what ever reason or were to lazy to get their hours done. The punishment might seem harsh to you but it has been this way for a couple of years now. If the novices this applies to really cared the would either work their novice hours or go through the rule change process to see if they can get it changed.

[dave.gallant]

...or just do a whole 4 hours of "work" to benefit the MRA.

Viola, problem solved!

:roll:

[mbohn]

Deletion from existence seems an awfully harsh punishment. :) I can understand losing your spot on the grids next year and maybe your position in the final standings, but complete deletion from the database is too much. If the club needs an extra $50 from novices, put it in the race license and eliminate all this extra work tracking down who's done what. I'm trying to do a statistical study of the novice race times for a new novice class format and this skews the results.

Dirk


Rulebook Section 4.5.D re Novice hours " ...Failure to complete the service will result in the forfeiture of all points and standings for the season in all classes in which the rider has competed."
Is that the same as deletion from the database?

[dirkterrell]

Its not just that the club needs the $50. The $50 was an option was offered towards the end of the season to the novice races who waited to long or couldn't for what ever reason or were to lazy to get their hours done. The punishment might seem harsh to you but it has been this way for a couple of years now. If the novices this applies to really cared the would either work their novice hours or go through the rule change process to see if they can get it changed.

I don't disagree with the whole "service to the MRA" argument (in which case I might argue that it should be required for everyone) and I agree that loss of grid positions and place in the standings might be reasonable penalties, but I think complete deletion from the database is too much. Mark them as lepers if you like but don't just throw them out.

Dirk

[T Baggins]

Unfortunately the two are intertwined. unless we remove them from the database (IE results, points, standings, web stuff), they WILL show up on the grid - based on accumulated points - next year.

[dirkterrell]

Unfortunately the two are intertwined. unless we remove them from the database (IE results, points, standings, web stuff), they WILL show up on the grid - based on accumulated points - next year.

That doesn't have to be the case.

Dirk

[T Baggins]

Unfortunately the two are intertwined. unless we remove them from the database (IE results, points, standings, web stuff), they WILL show up on the grid - based on accumulated points - next year.

That doesn't have to be the case.

Dirk

No, it doesn't "have" to be the case, but currently it "is" the case. Feel free to re-write the database in the off season... we've been needing a new one for some time anyway. :wink:

[hcr25]

Unfortunately the two are intertwined. unless we remove them from the database (IE results, points, standings, web stuff), they WILL show up on the grid - based on accumulated points - next year.

That doesn't have to be the case.

Dirk

True maybe someone can work their 4 hours and build a new data base :lol:

[dirkterrell]

No, it doesn't "have" to be the case, but currently it "is" the case. Feel free to re-write the database in the off season... we've been needing a new one for some time anyway. :wink:

Can I be reincarnated if I do? :lol:

Dirk

[T Baggins]

No, it doesn't "have" to be the case, but currently it "is" the case. Feel free to re-write the database in the off season... we've been needing a new one for some time anyway. :wink:

Can I be reincarnated if I do? :lol:

Dirk

No, but I'm sure Jen would be happy to e-mail you the pdf of the actual results for the races you were in for the season. :)

[dave.gallant]

No, it doesn't "have" to be the case, but currently it "is" the case. Feel free to re-write the database in the off season... we've been needing a new one for some time anyway. :wink:

Can I be reincarnated if I do? :lol:

Dirk

The new database is the easy part. That can be done in 10 minutes.

It is new write all of the gridding logic correctly and a complete rewrite of the web preentry app that is the actual work.

[snay]

Unfortunately the two are intertwined. unless we remove them from the database (IE results, points, standings, web stuff), they WILL show up on the grid - based on accumulated points - next year.

That doesn't have to be the case.

DirkK us noves knew all year to get this done or what has happened to you would be the results a lot off us like to look at are times and finishes and help are club that we reap the bennys that has been built for over 20YRS you chose your results so enjoy them !!!!!!!!!! and 4hrs or $50 is dam cheep for what we get :shock:

[dirkterrell]

It is new write all of the gridding logic correctly and a complete rewrite of the web preentry app that is the actual work.

What's all that currently done in?

Dirk

[dave.gallant]

It is new write all of the gridding logic correctly and a complete rewrite of the web preentry app that is the actual work.

What's all that currently done in?

Dirk

Access & Cold Fusion.

[dirkterrell]

K us noves knew all year to get this done or what has happened to you would be the results a lot off us like to look at are times and finishes and help are club that we reap the bennys that has been built for over 20YRS you chose your results so enjoy them !!!!!!!!!! and 4hrs or $50 is dam cheep for what we get :shock:

Look, I don't personally care one way or the other. I've got decades of volunteer experience with non-profits so I don't need to be schooled on how things work. I'm just pointing out that what has happened seems rather draconian, and doesn't seem in line with what's stated in the rulebook. If I have the skills to fix it, I'll offer them.

Dirk

[dirkterrell]

Access & Cold Fusion.

Are those choices set in stone? My experience is with Java and mySQL/Oracle.

Dirk

[dave.gallant]

Access & Cold Fusion.

Are those choices set in stone? My experience is with Java and mySQL/Oracle.

Dirk

Access was a requirement 5 years ago.

Java is out for more reasons than I will go into here (and I am a Java programmer as well so it is not that I am biased the wrong way).

MySql is fine, although honestly the next generation app should be (and will be if I am a part of it) PHP/SqLite bundled so it will run anywhere on anything.

[dragos13]

Easy resolution:

You want to keep your points, and standings, and times as a novice then,

DO YOUR NOVICE HOURS

Easy enough and requires no knowledge of SQL or Access or Java

8)

[dave.gallant]

Easy resolution:

You want to keep your points, and standings, and times as a novice then,

DO YOUR NOVICE HOURS

Easy enough and requires no knowledge of SQL or Access or Java

8)

I already said this.

No one is listening.

[hcr25]

I can offer my skills in PS3 and bowling if it will help :)

[dirkterrell]

MySql is fine, although honestly the next generation app should be (and will be if I am a part of it) PHP/SqLite bundled so it will run anywhere on anything.

I do a lot with SQLite in my telescope data reduction software. Very handy. And I've dabbled enough in PHP that I could come up to speed on it quickly enough to be useful.

Dirk

[dirkterrell]

Easy resolution:

You want to keep your points, and standings, and times as a novice then,

DO YOUR NOVICE HOURS

Easy enough and requires no knowledge of SQL or Access or Java

8)

Well, with these arrogant "shut up noob" responses, I'm not surprised that the MRA is in decline.

Dirk

[dragos13]

Easy resolution:

You want to keep your points, and standings, and times as a novice then,

DO YOUR NOVICE HOURS

Easy enough and requires no knowledge of SQL or Access or Java

8)

Well, with these arrogant "shut up noob" responses, I'm not surprised that the MRA is in decline.

Dirk

Is that really how you took my response? I'm sorry but for as long as I have been with the MRA they have required novice hours. It has never been an issue before. Basically, you are saying you dont want to do the hours but still want to be in the results? I feel that the idea of "screw doing novice hours" is hurting a little more then my comment. I would stay out of this conversation but lack of doing novice hours DOES affect the entire club.

I have never and will never tell a noob to shut up. I just stated my opinion on a way to keep your results and standings. If you feel the rulebook is unfair, that can be changed.

I personally wouldn't mind if EVERYONE was required to do 4 hours. Currently, however, it stands only for novices. Not a rule I made, just one that I support.

[dave.gallant]

Easy resolution:

You want to keep your points, and standings, and times as a novice then,

DO YOUR NOVICE HOURS

Easy enough and requires no knowledge of SQL or Access or Java

8)

Well, with these arrogant "shut up noob" responses, I'm not surprised that the MRA is in decline.

Dirk

You must be kidding me.

You guys are killing me today. Are the off season antics really already starting?

Failure to plan and coordinate a requirement of all novices does not constitute a problem with the widely known and publicized system. There are a few basic requirements to roadracing with the MRA, and as a novice racer, this is simply one of them. Really, it is not that big of a deal...

[snay]

I can offer my skills in PS3 and bowling if it will help :) :mrgreen:

[bluedevil]

I think someone's leg is getting pulled on this thread.

Its no need to discuss even. Those who cared about their points work the hours. Shoot when I was a Novice I worked them before the season even started to make sure I never got myself in that trouble.
If they didnt work them, they didnt care about their point anyway. Its not like there hasnt been 100 warnings all year long and every year for at least the last 6 to DO YOUR HOURS or lose your points.... Seriously, There has been so many chances to work hours during a weekend or not, Im shocked this is getting talked about anymore. Things as easy as working a gate, or carrying shit for Tony has been used in the past to knock off time. :wink:

I think there are lots of rule change threads that need constructive comments on them over in another section :wink:

[dirkterrell]

Is that really how you took my response? I'm sorry but for as long as I have been with the MRA they have required novice hours. It has never been an issue before. Basically, you are saying you dont want to do the hours but still want to be in the results?

Yeah, Casey, it came off that way. No, I'm not saying that those who don't do the hours should be included in the results. The rulebook says that you get knocked out of the standings and you lose grid spots the next year. That's fine. What I am saying is that wiping people completely out of the database entirely seems just a bit too draconian to me. That's all. We're trying to get people to return to racing and this strikes me as just a bit too much of a penalty (and it isn't stated in the rulebook if you want to start arguing about following the letter of the law). Hell, when I search on my rider number now, someone else's name comes up.

Like I said, I don't personally care. I didn't lose any grid positions. I have all my lap times backed up. I don't care about standings. I race because I have fun. But to be wiped out of the database completely is not the kind of thing we should be doing to our members. It's wrong. I think we should fix it and I'll offer my help to do so.

Dirk

[Mforza]

I'm sorry guys, I should not even say anything about this and start this whole thing. :)
As for my part, I could not work off my nov hours and I could not pay them off also. I new the punishment for that and I'm fine with that.
So, sorry again that I started this :D :D

[dirkterrell]

Its no need to discuss even. Those who cared about their points work the hours. Shoot when I was a Novice I worked them before the season even started to make sure I never got myself in that trouble.
If they didnt work them, they didnt care about their point anyway. Its not like there hasnt been 100 warnings all year long and every year for at least the last 6 to DO YOUR HOURS or lose your points....

That's not what's being discussed here. No one is arguing that you shouldn't lose your points.

Dirk

[bluedevil]

Its no need to discuss even. Those who cared about their points work the hours. Shoot when I was a Novice I worked them before the season even started to make sure I never got myself in that trouble.
If they didnt work them, they didnt care about their point anyway. Its not like there hasnt been 100 warnings all year long and every year for at least the last 6 to DO YOUR HOURS or lose your points....

That's not what's being discussed here. No one is arguing that you shouldn't lose your points.

Dirk


So you want your place finishes in the individual race but dont care about the final season standings... ?

I believe Jen posts those about 5-10 minutes after you complete the race. :?: :?: :?: :wink:

[T Baggins]

Be advised that this post eventually becomes semi-tangental...

The idea of Novice Hours was borne out of the continual and constant lack of volunteers to help and support the club in its operations on raceday and beyond. For a decade we've been short staffed and under-funded, and "compelling" the new guys and gals to donate some time to help "their club" by requiring Novice Hours seemed like it was the solution. The Board decided this probably 6-7 years ago.

Originally it was intended mostly to fill the corner worker stations, as there have been times where we've only had literally 3-4 corner workers show up. We thought "well, if we could get Novices to help out by working corners, that would allow us to keep racing without significantly raising fees to pay corner workers." They'd learn a little something about running the club, the work that goes into it, and maybe see how the faster racers get thru a corner. Seemed like a win-win...

Over the past two years, however, we've discovered that it takes much more time to get a newbie corner worker trained than the 4 hours required for Novice hours. Not to mention shuttling them back and forth throughout the day so they don't miss their races - and then constantly re-staffing the corners with yet another newbie... Which is part of why we allowed people to "buy" their novice hours this year. It made more sense to pay a trained worker with novice $$ rather than put a novice racer out on a corner for 4 hours.

Be that as it may, the penalty for not doing your hours was well publicized both on raceday, in the rider meetings, and on the forums. Draconian or not, the penalty is what the penalty is... and I believe it is consistent with what the rulebook says. How else do you interpret "removal from points, results, standings...?" You can't "be there" and "not be there" at the same time...

Here comes the tangent:

For what it's worth, perhaps someone should make a rule suggestion to abolish the novice hours? It is somewhat unfair to single out the Novices (unless you consider it an initiation??), and it would probably make more sense to simply raise the license fee for everyone by $50 and let the entire membership bear the cost.

Further, in my opinion there are two types of people in the MRA. 1) Those who see it as a club and WANT to participate in the operations, workload, opportunities, etc... and treat it like a CLUB. and 2) Those who are simply consumers and see it more like Elitches - they just want to show up, pay a fee, and go home with no other strings attached.

The ratio seems to be about 10% club members and 90% consumers. Not that either is right or wrong, but it certainly explains a lot about the continual struggle with workload vs volunteers.

We can run the MRA either way, just know that the more "retail oriented" we become, the more the costs MUST go up to pay for the work required.

[dragos13]

Yeah, Casey, it came off that way. No, I'm not saying that those who don't do the hours should be included in the results. The rulebook says that you get knocked out of the standings and you lose grid spots the next year. That's fine. What I am saying is that wiping people completely out of the database entirely seems just a bit too draconian to me. That's all. We're trying to get people to return to racing and this strikes me as just a bit too much of a penalty (and it isn't stated in the rulebook if you want to start arguing about following the letter of the law). Hell, when I search on my rider number now, someone else's name comes up.

Like I said, I don't personally care. I didn't lose any grid positions. I have all my lap times backed up. I don't care about standings. I race because I have fun. But to be wiped out of the database completely is not the kind of thing we should be doing to our members. It's wrong. I think we should fix it and I'll offer my help to do so.

Dirk

I will apologize then for coming off that way and I do understand the idea of being COMPLETELY wiped off the database seems extreme. Unfortunately that is the current process and I do believe its fair.

Its required to do novice hours just as I am required to meet certain SS rules and regulations. I might not agree that a double bubble windscreen should be illegal but if I get caught cheating I do understand the punishment. I'm not calling anyone a cheater, however you must follow the requirements in the rulebook rather then arguing about the punishement.

Had all novices completed their hours, or paid the $50, the club would be in a better financial spot right now.

Should the punishment be different? Maybe delete novices from overall standings but somehow keep your times? I just dont think novices should have the right to say "hey look sponsor I finished 5th overall" when in reality you are not qualified for any finishes. I'm sure there are better ways to fix things and we should all WORK TOGETHER to figure this out.

[dirkterrell]

How else do you interpret "removal from points, results, standings...?" You can't "be there" and "not be there" at the same time...


Well, I had hoped that people would see the point I was trying to make without resorting to the gory details of the rulebook but here you go:


A. In order to qualify for end of season points and standings, Novice racers must complete 4 hours of community service to the club (see Sections 4.5.E-H.)

I guess I interpret that a little differently than you guys do. It doesn't say that individual weekends (or individuals' results) would be wiped.

All I'm asking you guys to do is to think about how this looks to someone who raced and didn't or couldn't do their novice hours. Just for a second, put away your "I walked uphill both ways to school when I was a novice" mentality and think about it from a different perspective. Lose end of season points? Yes. Lose end of season standings? Yes. Lose every shred of evidence on the MRA site that you actually raced? No.

Dirk

[dirkterrell]

I will apologize then for coming off that way and I do understand the idea of being COMPLETELY wiped off the database seems extreme.

Thank you, Casey. That's really all I'm trying to say.

Dirk

[T Baggins]

For the record Dirk, I do see your point - and when trying to attract new racers, completely striking them from the planet would certainly take some of the enthusiasm out of it... perhaps someone "will" make a rules recommendation that abolishes the current rule? Especially given that the current scoring system does not differentiate between year-end and year-during - and it simply deletes everyone for eternity.

When I was a novice, not only did we have to walk up hill both ways, in driving snow, barefoot, with the wind at our faces - but we didn't HAVE to do novice hours at all... Why? Because everyone chipped in as much or as little as necessary to ensure that the club they loved prospered and grew a little bit more each year.

Those days are gone, I'm afraid... As a society (not just in the MRA) were to the point of "creating accountability" by making it mandatory and then punishing those who aren't willing/able to step up. Hasn't been as effective as perhaps we all had hoped... :cry:

[dirkterrell]

For the record Dirk, I do see your point - and when trying to attract new racers, completely striking them from the planet would certainly take some of the enthusiasm out of it...


That's exactly what I was getting at. Thank you.



perhaps someone "will" make a rules recommendation that abolishes the current rule? Especially given that the current scoring system does not differentiate between year-end and year-during - and it simply deletes everyone for eternity.


I still think we could address the issue with a new database approach, and it sounds like that might be desirable for other reasons.(?) I am happy to help with that. As I said earlier, I have a lot of experience with non-profits (mostly being in that 10% you refer to) and I'm not the type to bitch about something without offering to help fix it.

Dirk

[scooter_c]

not trying to add to the debate, but when someone is deleted from the system does that mean that in the races that they did compete in everyone they finished in front of automatically gets bumped up in points for that race? Just curious because I missed the last race and someone placed overall higher than me at the end of the season but when i checked the results before the last race they were more than 36 points behind.

[JenJen]

Yes it does bump everyone up, Otherwise it is not in a running order and that messes with the database. It shows holes on the final results example: 1,2,5,6,9,11,15 etc.


I do have all previous race finishes for every race so if someone is wondering where they finished I DO keep that information. Just let me know what race you would like and I can e-mail you the pdf file.

Thanks

[ctb]

I am with Dirk. I certainly knew that I would not be in any year end standings, and would lose any grid position I may have earned for next year. I DID NOT expect, by not working/paying my hours, that I would be obliterated. I don't really care either way, but that needs to be clarified.

[Scored51]

I am with Dirk. I certainly knew that I would not be in any year end standings, and would lose any grid position I may have earned for next year. I DID NOT expect, by not working/paying my hours, that I would be obliterated. I don't really care either way, but that needs to be clarified.

Lauri,

What difference is there in the definition you understand and the colorful language anyone has used to describe his situation? There isn't any further penalty or fine to be paid other than what you noted. If anyone who was high in the standings and didn't complete their novice hours, they should be happy and grateful they aren't forced to repay all of the contingency money they may have won during the season after being "removed from the results." Now THAT would have definitely obliterated me! :D

[CO750]

Not that this is going anywhere, but I'll add my .02 :roll:

It seems that some people decided not to complete their novice hours based on a certain belief of what the consequences for that would be. Now that they see what has happened, they don't agree with the consequences. As has been mentioned several times, this wasn't a surprise. There were several posts with hours remaining and multiple opportunities to complete them through cornerworking, cash payment or other various tasks related to the club.

With the problems the club faced this year, it bothers me that we had so many novices not complete their hours in support of the organization. I can understand not cornerworking, but there were tons of other ways to complete them.

[froth]

I agree. Several times per weekend, our board members said it, it was brought up at the rider's meetings. Hate to be an A*****e, but if you're a novice, and you didn't do the hours, you WERE told about a peck of times. No pity. Try paying attention, and please call your contingency sponsors to let them know how responsible you've been.

[auzzy]

I know that Drake feels bad about it. I know that the guy had planned on PPIR for his hours, (we know that story) and toward the end was racing instead of paying rent. He understood the consequences and accepts. He does feel terrible as I said, but will be back and has had a great time with everyone this year and hopes the thong wont be the only thing he is remembered for in the future.

[CO750]

I'm not saying that everyone who didn't do their hours is a horrible person. But in my situation, I had some personal issues that came up and I wasn't sure if I would be able to race at all. I still went out to one of the first rounds and corner worked to fulfill my hours even though I might not have raced at all. It is an expectation of novices to work their hours and I did mine because i knew it was an expectation of the club.

To me, if you don't partake in your requirement to the club, then why should we take your concerns seriously.

Pay your dues and make a positive impact.

[ctb]

Not that this is going anywhere, but I'll add my .02

It seems that some people decided not to complete their novice hours based on a certain belief of what the consequences for that would be. Now that they see what has happened, they don't agree with the consequences. As has been mentioned several times, this wasn't a surprise. There were several posts with hours remaining and multiple opportunities to complete them through cornerworking, cash payment or other various tasks related to the club.

With the problems the club faced this year, it bothers me that we had so many novices not complete their hours in support of the organization. I can understand not cornerworking, but there were tons of other ways to complete them.

As for me and my husband...the little amount of racing that we were able to do this year was ABOVE AND BEYOND what we SHOULD HAVE done, but we did the second to last round to HELP THE CLUB. Some of us TRULY don't have a SECOND to breathe at the track, and no EXTRA money.

I don't believe ANYONE in my boat on this thread is saying that YEAR END POINTS STANDINGS are the issue. I believe it needs to simply be more clearly stated in the rulebook that you will be wiped clean from existence. I CHOSE to not do/pay my hours due to confilcting priorities, but I would've liked to have known the EXACT consequence of that choice.

You know...as disheartening as it is for some of you to hear of people who OPTED not to do Nov hours, it is equally disheartening for those of us who are TRYING TO HELP as much as we can, to get flamed.

Extinguisher full, go ahead.

[nwatkins176]

I agree with Tony's assessment and make a rule change to have it added to the fee's and have everybody pay it. Why should only Novices have to spend extra $ to race? I would make the rule change suggestion, but I can not make it to the meetings as my work interfears..

[hcr25]

I agree with Tony's assessment and make a rule change to have it added to the fee's and have everybody pay it. Why should only Novices have to spend extra $ to race? I would make the rule change suggestion, but I can not make it to the meetings as my work interfears..

Why cant you just post your rule change suggestion?

http://forums.mra-racing.org/viewtopic.php?t=9214

No real need to go to the meeting :wink:

[nwatkins176]

already done!

[hcr25]

already done!

Well there you go! also if you have something you want brought up at a meeting but cant make it, a rider rep or any MRA member can do it for you. All you have to do is ask. Im happy to help you if i can.
Mike